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Re: clutch bleed wierdness

To: Bob Howard <mgbob@juno.com>
Subject: Re: clutch bleed wierdness
From: Tim Holt <holtt@nacse.org>
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:16:14 -0700
OK a couple of things...

First, I just replaced the rubber hose, so I dont think it's at fault.  
The SS is about 6 months old.

Actually this is the second time it's done this.  We were bleeding it a 
week ago and it did it.  That time we didnt' realize what was going on 
until it had shoved the piston very far out.  That was with an old 
hose.  So I ordered the SS "kit" and replaced all the parts, and got a 
new hose while I was at it.

The piston moves fine manually when the SS is off the car -  I can slide 
it in and out.  I noticed that the spring inside does NOT make it come 
back out all the time.  I don't know quite what the spring is supposed 
to do as it seems pretty weak compared to the friction the rubber ring 
on the piston has.

I can also move the clutch arm that the SS pushes on fine (when the SS 
is not attached).

I also was getting air and a bit of fluid (but hardly any) out of the 
bleed valve when we were bleeding it.

We disconnected the SS and I just put my finger over the end of the hose 
(the end that screws into the SS) while Wes pumped and topped off the 
reservoir.  Plenty of air and then fluid came out the hose so it's not 
clogged.

Bob Howard wrote:

>Tim,
>   It's possible that the piston in clutch slave cylinder got pushed into
>a previously unused part of the cylinder and got stuck there. The area
>not in contact with the rubber cups can become rusty and rough. 
>   You might be able to put pressure on the bleed screw and force the
>piston back, but I would expect that the rubber cup will be in need of
>replacement.
>   If this happened while the hose was connected, you could also suspect
>that the hose is coming apart internally, acting as a one-way valve.  
>Bob
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>  In fact this was because the slave cyl. was getting > 
>  
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>>extremely extended.  It was extending, but never pulling back into 
>>the slave cyl.  We disconnected the hose from the slave cyl and tried 
>>just  pumping the clutch with a finger over that hose - and it seemed
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>to 
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>>vent  air and then eventually fluid.  So that seems to indicate the
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>master 
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>>on  down to the slave is fine.
>>
>>So - if there IS something wrong with the slave, what can go wrong 
>>with one such that they get pressure but never let off!  We opened up
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>the 
>  
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>>bleed valve when it did this, expecting that to let off the 
>>pressure,  but nothing.  A sign I suppose of that being clogged -
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>except that 
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>>it did let out some air early when we were bleeding it.
>>
>>Thoughts?

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