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Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive
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I have been using 20-50 VR1 in my 80 MGBLE but I see from the website =
that you provided that it should not be used in cars with catalytic =
converters which my 80  MGB has. In fact, all of the recommended oils =
with zddp should not be used in cars with catalytic converters  so what =
should those of us with RBBs use? we need the zddp but not the added  =
aggravation  of concern about our cats?
Frank Krajewski

From: Charley Robinson via Mgs=20
Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2019 10:07 AM
To: Chris Attias ; Mgs@autox.team.net=20
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive

Maybe you haven't looked hard enough.  I bought two quarts of 20W50 VR1 =
yesterday at my local Autozone.  The other local stores carry it too.  =
The first bullet on the back label calls it "High Performance/Racing =
Oil". Here's a blurb from Valvoline's website: =
https://sharena21.springcm.com/Public/Document/18452/18bdee61-0a7e-e711-9=
c10-ac162d889bd3/a61538b4-0cbd-e711-9c12-ac162d889bd1

I've been using  20W50 VR1 in my '69 MGB for the last 5 years or so.  I =
use synthetics in my newer cars.

CR



On 7/6/2019 10:01 PM, Chris Attias wrote:

  I don't claim exhaustive knowledge about all racing oils. Valvoline =
VR1 is primarily made for racing, and I'd call it a specialty oil. Not =
something I've seen on the shelves at local auto parts stores.=20



  On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:40 PM Charley Robinson <Charley38@twc.com> =
wrote:

    Sorry, I don't agree unless you see Valvoline as a specialty motor =
oil supplier.

    CR


    On 7/6/2019 10:28 AM, Chris Attias wrote:


      As classifications change, old oil formulations become obsolete, =
the appropriate oil for flat tappet engines has become pretty much the =
product of specialty oil companies like Royal Purple, Driven/Joe Gibbs, =
Red Line, Lucas, and Collectors Choice (Moss).


      Chris=20

      On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:32 PM Charley Robinson via Mgs =
<mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

        I've been reading up on it to refresh my memory.  A lot of folks =
just take other peoples' word for it.

        CR


        On 7/5/2019 9:02 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:

          Only certain weights. You have to read the labels, or usually =
the spec sheets.=20

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          mvheim@sonic.net



            On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:15 PM, FrankK <frankk12@verizon.net> =
wrote:

            I assume all those brands include the correct ZDDP =
proportions./=20

            From: Max Heim=20
            Sent: Friday, July 5, 2019 9:02 PM
            To: FrankK ; MG List=20
            Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive

            Right, but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. =
Others use Royal Purple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands.=20


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            Max Heim
            mvheim@sonic.net




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<DIV>I have been using 20-50 VR1 in my 80 MGBLE but I see from the =
website that=20
you provided that it should not be used in cars with catalytic =
converters which=20
my 80&nbsp; MGB has. In fact, all of the recommended oils with zddp =
should not=20
be used in cars with catalytic converters&nbsp; so what should those of =
us with=20
RBBs use? we need the zddp but not the added&nbsp; aggravation&nbsp; of =
concern=20
about our cats?</DIV>
<DIV>Frank Krajewski</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
title=3Dmgs@autox.team.net>Charley=20
Robinson via Mgs</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 7, 2019 10:07 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dcjattias@gmail.com>Chris Attias</A> ; <A=20
title=3DMgs@autox.team.net>Mgs@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
DISPLAY: inline'>Maybe=20
you haven't looked hard enough.&nbsp; I bought two quarts of 20W50 VR1 =
yesterday=20
at my local Autozone.&nbsp; The other local stores carry it too.&nbsp; =
The first=20
bullet on the back label calls it "High Performance/Racing Oil". Here's =
a blurb=20
from Valvoline's website: <A=20
href=3D"https://sharena21.springcm.com/Public/Document/18452/18bdee61-0a7=
e-e711-9c10-ac162d889bd3/a61538b4-0cbd-e711-9c12-ac162d889bd1">https://sh=
arena21.springcm.com/Public/Document/18452/18bdee61-0a7e-e711-9c10-ac162d=
889bd3/a61538b4-0cbd-e711-9c12-ac162d889bd1</A><BR><BR>I've=20
been using&nbsp; 20W50 VR1 in my '69 MGB for the last 5 years or =
so.&nbsp; I use=20
synthetics in my newer cars.<BR><BR>CR<BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=3Dmoz-cite-prefix>On 7/6/2019 10:01 PM, Chris Attias =
wrote:<BR></DIV>
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  <DIV dir=3Dltr>I don't claim exhaustive knowledge about all racing =
oils.=20
  Valvoline VR1 is primarily made for racing, and I'd call it a =
specialty oil.=20
  Not something I've seen on the shelves at local auto parts stores. =
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  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
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  <DIV class=3Dgmail_attr dir=3Dltr>On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:40 PM =
Charley Robinson=20
  &lt;<A moz-do-not-send=3D"true">Charley38@twc.com</A>&gt; =
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    <DIV bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">Sorry, I don't agree unless you see =
Valvoline as a=20
    specialty motor oil supplier.<BR><BR>CR<BR><BR>
    <DIV class=3Dgmail-m_7183647943737747142moz-cite-prefix>On 7/6/2019 =
10:28 AM,=20
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      <DIV>As classifications change, old oil formulations become =
obsolete, the=20
      appropriate oil for flat tappet engines has become pretty much the =
product=20
      of specialty oil companies like Royal Purple, Driven/Joe Gibbs, =
Red Line,=20
      Lucas, and Collectors Choice (Moss).<BR></DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>Chris=20
      <DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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      <DIV class=3Dgmail_attr dir=3Dltr>On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:32 PM =
Charley=20
      Robinson via Mgs &lt;<A target=3D_blank=20
      moz-do-not-send=3D"true">mgs@autox.team.net</A>&gt; =
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        <DIV bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">I've been reading up on it to refresh =
my=20
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        it.<BR><BR>CR<BR><BR>
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        7/5/2019 9:02 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:<BR></DIV>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">Only certain weights. You have to read =
the=20
          labels, or usually the spec sheets.=20
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          <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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          <DIV>--</DIV>
          <DIV>Max Heim</DIV>
          <DIV><A target=3D_blank=20
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            <DIV>On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:15 PM, FrankK &lt;<A =
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            moz-do-not-send=3D"true">MG List</A> </DIV>
            <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Mgs] Oil =
Additive</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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            <DIV=20
            style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; =
FONT-FAMILY: calibri; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: =
inline">Right,=20
            but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others use =
Royal=20
            Purple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands.=20
            <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
            <DIV>
            <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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            <DIV>Max Heim</DIV>
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