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To: FrankK <frankk12@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive
From: Robert's New iPad via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 11:47:24 -0400
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Hi Frank,
    It=E2=80=99s unlikely that the 1980 catalyst is still catalysing; it=E2=80=
=99s probably been dead weight for years. =20
   On the chart we saw this morning VR1 has 1400 ppm ZDDP, so that answer th=
e question about ZDDP and a sufficiency thereof.  It should be fine to use i=
n our engines.
  Is the cat needed in order to pass emissions in RI?   It was in CT, the vi=
sual part of inspection, though one of our members with a 1980 made one of a=
 tomato juice can that he installed before inspections.  That passed the vis=
ual.  Tailpipe emissions passed easily w/o it, but they needed to see someth=
ing that looked like a cat in order to pass the visual inspection. =20
  My 1972, toward the end of the tailpipe checks, was passing easily. Some s=
ay that fuel within the past ten years will burn clean enough to pass. That=E2=
=80=99s my one-person experience. We no longer have tail-pipe checks in CT.
Bob


> On Jul 7, 2019, at 11:28 AM, FrankK via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
>=20
> I have been using 20-50 VR1 in my 80 MGBLE but I see from the website that=
 you provided that it should not be used in cars with catalytic converters w=
hich my 80  MGB has. In fact, all of the recommended oils with zddp should n=
ot be used in cars with catalytic converters  so what should those of us wit=
h RBBs use? we need the zddp but not the added  aggravation  of concern abou=
t our cats?
> Frank Krajewski
> =20
> From: Charley Robinson via Mgs
> Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2019 10:07 AM
> To: Chris Attias ; Mgs@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive
> =20
> Maybe you haven't looked hard enough.  I bought two quarts of 20W50 VR1 ye=
sterday at my local Autozone.  The other local stores carry it too.  The fir=
st bullet on the back label calls it "High Performance/Racing Oil". Here's a=
 blurb from Valvoline's website: https://sharena21.springcm.com/Public/Docum=
ent/18452/18bdee61-0a7e-e711-9c10-ac162d889bd3/a61538b4-0cbd-e711-9c12-ac162=
d889bd1
>=20
> I've been using  20W50 VR1 in my '69 MGB for the last 5 years or so.  I us=
e synthetics in my newer cars.
>=20
> CR
>=20
>=20
>> On 7/6/2019 10:01 PM, Chris Attias wrote:
>> I don't claim exhaustive knowledge about all racing oils. Valvoline VR1 i=
s primarily made for racing, and I'd call it a specialty oil. Not something I=
've seen on the shelves at local auto parts stores.=20
>> =20
>> =20
>>> On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:40 PM Charley Robinson <Charley38@twc.com> wrot=
e:
>>> Sorry, I don't agree unless you see Valvoline as a specialty motor oil s=
upplier.
>>>=20
>>> CR
>>>=20
>>>> On 7/6/2019 10:28 AM, Chris Attias wrote:
>>>> =20
>>>> As classifications change, old oil formulations become obsolete, the ap=
propriate oil for flat tappet engines has become pretty much the product of s=
pecialty oil companies like Royal Purple, Driven/Joe Gibbs, Red Line, Lucas,=
 and Collectors Choice (Moss).
>>>> =20
>>>> Chris
>>>> =20
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:32 PM Charley Robinson via Mgs <mgs@autox.te=
am.net> wrote:
>>>>> I've been reading up on it to refresh my memory.  A lot of folks just t=
ake other peoples' word for it.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> CR
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> On 7/5/2019 9:02 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:
>>>>>> Only certain weights. You have to read the labels, or usually the spe=
c sheets.
>>>>>> =20
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Max Heim
>>>>>> mvheim@sonic.net
>>>>>> =20
>>>>>> =20
>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>> On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:15 PM, FrankK <frankk12@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>> I assume all those brands include the correct ZDDP proportions./
>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>> From: Max Heim
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 5, 2019 9:02 PM
>>>>>>> To: FrankK ; MG List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive
>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>> Right, but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others use Ro=
yal Purple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands.
>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Max Heim
>>>>>>> mvheim@sonic.net
>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> man/options/mgs/charley38@twc.com
>>>>=20
>>>> =20
>>>=20
>>=20
>> =20
>> =20
>> --=20
>> ___
>> =20
>> Chris Attias
>> 8117 Azalea Dr.
>> Felton, CA 95018
>> home: 831.335.2275
>> cell: 831.247.0001
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi =
Frank,</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; &nbsp; It=E2=80=99s unlikely that the 19=
80 catalyst is still catalysing; it=E2=80=99s probably been dead weight for y=
ears. &nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; &nbsp;On the chart we saw this mor=
ning VR1 has 1400 ppm ZDDP, so that answer the question about ZDDP and a suf=
ficiency thereof. &nbsp;It should be fine to use in our engines.</div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; Is the cat needed in order to pass emissions in RI? &nbsp;=
 It was in CT, the visual part of inspection, though one of our members with=
 a 1980 made one of a tomato juice can that he installed before inspections.=
 &nbsp;That passed the visual. &nbsp;Tailpipe emissions passed easily w/o it=
, but they needed to see something that looked like a cat in order to pass t=
he visual inspection. &nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; My 1972, toward th=
e end of the tailpipe checks, was passing easily. Some say that fuel within t=
he past ten years will burn clean enough to pass. That=E2=80=99s my one-pers=
on experience. We no longer have tail-pipe checks in CT.</div><div dir=3D"lt=
r">Bob</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jul 7, 2019, a=
t 11:28 AM, FrankK via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net";>mgs@aut=
ox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D=
"ltr">
<meta content=3D"text/html; charset=3DUTF-8" http-equiv=3D"Content-Type">

<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000">
<div>I have been using 20-50 VR1 in my 80 MGBLE but I see from the website t=
hat=20
you provided that it should not be used in cars with catalytic converters wh=
ich=20
my 80&nbsp; MGB has. In fact, all of the recommended oils with zddp should n=
ot=20
be used in cars with catalytic converters&nbsp; so what should those of us w=
ith=20
RBBs use? we need the zddp but not the added&nbsp; aggravation&nbsp; of conc=
ern=20
about our cats?</div>
<div>Frank Krajewski</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Ca=
libri&quot;; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLA=
Y: inline">
<div style=3D"FONT: 10pt tahoma">
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
<div style=3D"font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"mgs@autox.team.net=
">Charley=20
Robinson via Mgs</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 7, 2019 10:07 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"cjattias@gmail.com">Chris Attias</a> ; <a title=3D=
"Mgs@autox.team.net">Mgs@autox.team.net</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive</div></div></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div></div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Ca=
libri&quot;; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLA=
Y: inline">Maybe=20
you haven't looked hard enough.&nbsp; I bought two quarts of 20W50 VR1 yeste=
rday=20
at my local Autozone.&nbsp; The other local stores carry it too.&nbsp; The f=
irst=20
bullet on the back label calls it "High Performance/Racing Oil". Here's a bl=
urb=20
from Valvoline's website: <a href=3D"https://sharena21.springcm.com/Public/D=
ocument/18452/18bdee61-0a7e-e711-9c10-ac162d889bd3/a61538b4-0cbd-e711-9c12-a=
c162d889bd1">https://sharena21.springcm.com/Public/Document/18452/18bdee61-0=
a7e-e711-9c10-ac162d889bd3/a61538b4-0cbd-e711-9c12-ac162d889bd1</a><br><br>I=
've=20
been using&nbsp; 20W50 VR1 in my '69 MGB for the last 5 years or so.&nbsp; I=
 use=20
synthetics in my newer cars.<br><br>CR<br><br><br>
<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 7/6/2019 10:01 PM, Chris Attias wrote:<br>=
</div>
<blockquote cite=3D"mid:CAFpMPMUJRm-RS-_dbKPzvrF_=3D06naw=3DasLFCKDCr+z3sV8Y=
AqA@mail.gmail.com" type=3D"cite">
  <div dir=3D"ltr">I don't claim exhaustive knowledge about all racing oils.=
=20
  Valvoline VR1 is primarily made for racing, and I'd call it a specialty oi=
l.=20
  Not something I've seen on the shelves at local auto parts stores. <br>
  <div>&nbsp;</div></div>
  <div>&nbsp;</div>
  <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
  <div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:40 PM Charl=
ey Robinson=20
  &lt;<a moz-do-not-send=3D"true">Charley38@twc.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>=

  <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; BORDER-LEFT:=
 rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
    <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">Sorry, I don't agree unless you see Valvoline a=
s a=20
    specialty motor oil supplier.<br><br>CR<br><br>
    <div class=3D"gmail-m_7183647943737747142moz-cite-prefix">On 7/6/2019 10=
:28 AM,=20
    Chris Attias wrote:<br></div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      <div dir=3D"ltr">
      <div>&nbsp;</div>
      <div>As classifications change, old oil formulations become obsolete, t=
he=20
      appropriate oil for flat tappet engines has become pretty much the pro=
duct=20
      of specialty oil companies like Royal Purple, Driven/Joe Gibbs, Red Li=
ne,=20
      Lucas, and Collectors Choice (Moss).<br></div>
      <div>&nbsp;</div>Chris=20
      <div>
      <div>&nbsp;</div>
      <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
      <div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:32 PM C=
harley=20
      Robinson via Mgs &lt;<a target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">mgs=
@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>
      <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; BORDER-L=
EFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
        <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">I've been reading up on it to refresh my=20=

        memory.&nbsp; A lot of folks just take other peoples' word for=20
        it.<br><br>CR<br><br>
        <div class=3D"gmail-m_7183647943737747142gmail-m_-791829375537577319=
3moz-cite-prefix">On=20
        7/5/2019 9:02 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:<br></div>
        <blockquote type=3D"cite">Only certain weights. You have to read the=
=20
          labels, or usually the spec sheets.=20
          <div>
          <div>&nbsp;</div>
          <div>
          <div>--</div>
          <div>Max Heim</div>
          <div><a target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">mvheim@sonic.ne=
t</a></div>
          <div>&nbsp;</div>
          <div>&nbsp;</div></div>
          <div>&nbsp;</div>
          <div>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite">
            <div>On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:15 PM, FrankK &lt;<a target=3D"_blank"=
 moz-do-not-send=3D"true">frankk12@verizon.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
            <div>&nbsp;</div>
            <div>
            <div dir=3D"ltr">
            <div dir=3D"ltr">
            <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri">
            <div>I assume all those brands include the correct ZDDP=20
            proportions./ </div>
            <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMI=
LY: calibri; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline">
            <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt tahoma">
            <div>&nbsp;</div>
            <div style=3D"BACKGROUND: rgb(245,245,245)">
            <div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"mvheim@sonic.net" moz-do-not-send=3D=
"true">Max Heim</a> </div>
            <div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 5, 2019 9:02 PM</div>
            <div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"frankk12@verizon.net" moz-do-not-sen=
d=3D"true">FrankK</a> ; <a title=3D"mgs@autox.team.net" moz-do-not-send=3D"t=
rue">MG List</a> </div>
            <div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive</div></div></div>
            <div>&nbsp;</div></div>
            <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMI=
LY: calibri; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline">Right=
,=20
            but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others use Royal=
=20
            Purple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands.=20
            <div>&nbsp;</div>
            <div>
            <div>&nbsp;</div>
            <div>
            <div>--</div>
            <div>Max Heim</div>
            <div><a moz-do-not-send=3D"true">mvheim@sonic.net</a></div>
            <div>&nbsp;</div>
            <div>&nbsp;</div></div>
            <div>
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iv>
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