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That said, I don't have an electric car. I've never spent near enough on a
car to get one.
On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 2:30 PM Paul Root <ptroot@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jason of Engineering Explained, bought a Telsa Model 3 last year. He's
> done 2 2500 mile road trips, summer, and winter. And, of course, has done
> youtube videos for them. Worth a look.
>
> I hadn't heard that the batteries only last 50k miles. The first hit on a
> google search says 100-150k and/or 8 years.
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 2:19 PM Paul Noble <noblepa@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I've wondered about the same things, regarding electric and hybrid cars.
>>
>> Another thing to consider is that lithium is environmentally problematic,
>> both in mining it and disposing of it.
>>
>> The problem is that gasoline is still one of the most economical, safest
>> and densest way to transport energy. In most cases, a tank of gasoline will
>> take a car farther than a fully charged battery will.
>>
>> The battery pack is usually much larger than the gas tank, and a lot
>> heavier.
>>
>> I've never owned a Prius or any other hybrid, but I've heard that you're
>> lucky to get 50,000 miles on a set of batteries. Replacing them costs about
>> $3-4k. That's one reason I wouldn't even consider a used Prius, unless the
>> seller showed me receipts for a very recent battery replacement. A Prius
>> (or Tesla for that matter) without batteries is like a conventional car
>> without an engine. It might be a good deal, but you have to factor in the
>> cost of replacing the batteries or engine.
>>
>> Current (no pun intended) technology requires, I believe, a couple of
>> hours, at least, to recharge a fully depleted set of batteries on a fully
>> electric vehicle. That makes long trips a problem, if you have to stop
>> every four hours for a two hour recharge. They could probably speed up the
>> charging process but that would require much higher voltages or current
>> flow, both of which can be dangerous and create heat dissipation problems.
>>
>> I've heard stories that rescue workers have been injured when trying to
>> cut someone out of a crashed hybrid vehicle and accidentally cut through
>> the main battery cable. I know that first responders have been trained for
>> this now, but this remains a problem.
>>
>> Of course, there is a chicken/egg problem with public charging stations.
>> No one wants to spend a lot of money installing public charging stations
>> until there are a lot of EVs to use them. Conversely, many buyers are
>> reluctant to buy an EV because there are not many public charging stations.
>> That is why one of the features of the proposed infrastructure bill now
>> being debated in Congress includes funding to build charging stations.
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* 'Paul C Resch' via MG-MGA-MGB <mg-mga-mgb@googlegroups.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 2:49 PM
>> *To:* James Dillner <spr1ng19@outlook.com>; Dan DiBiase <
>> dan.dibiase@gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* PaulBHunt73 <paulbhunt73@gmail.com>; mglist <mgs@autox.team.net>;
>> MG-MGA-MGB <mg-mga-mgb@googlegroups.com>
>> *Subject:* Off topic. Your mileage may vary. WAS Re: [Mgs] New MG Sports
>> Car Concept
>>
>> I am just looking to have a discussion, not an angry argument but feel I
>> am missing something.
>>
>> When I had a Mazda6 I noticed the similarity to the Tesla S. Turns out
>> same guy Franz von Holzhausen designed both. Pretty similar.
>>
>> Presuming the cars mission is the same. Build quality similar, tire
>> usage and performance in real world use equivalent I did some comparisons.
>> Stupid fast Tesla acceleration is as useless as the Masda6's 600 mile per
>> tank range. My bladder needs stops more frequently than 9 hours.
>>
>> In 100,000 miles Tesla recharges ($22.00 for 250 miles, I got this from
>> Tesla) would run $8,800.
>>
>> In 100.00 at $2.75 a gallon, 35 miles per US Gallon and 10 - $65 oil
>> changes the total is about $8,500.
>>
>> But the Tesla costs over $70,000 and the Mazda6 half that.
>>
>> Even if recharging at home was free, in 100,000 I am $25,000 dollars
>> ahead. I am negating resale. A 100,000 Mazda6 is nicely broken in..
>> What's the $16.000 Tesla's battery life expectancy. I just do not know.
>>
>> And a trip such as I just took to Montana last October, 5,000 miles would
>> be nearly impossible.
>>
>> I was in areas where gas stations were few and far between and charging
>> non-existent. One hotel out of 13 had charging stations. Rapid charging
>> hurts battery life. Standing around for a half hour a couple of times a
>> day could get old.
>>
>> I think the European model of changeable battery packs is what will win.
>>
>> Design a platform where you pull in, drop the vehicle into a system much
>> like an automated car wash, and come back in 5 minutes with a fresh
>> battery. Changed from below.
>>
>> Automatically changed. SUVs might have two batteries. Trucks might
>> have more.
>>
>> Your state of charge, car's pathway and prediction of needed packs would
>> report to your car your assigned swap spot so A: you knew you would have a
>> battery ready and B: that there was no need to squeeze every last drop out
>> of yours. You'd pay a charge to belong to the system and what your battery
>> had left. So if you wanted to stop every 2 hours for a rest break, just
>> swap the half used battery.
>>
>> I learned that in Wolfsburg's VW factory it is rare for the same model to
>> be built in order as the robots don't care.
>>
>> The infrastructure of charging stations and having enough spigots is
>> tough to see until many years from now.
>>
>> So please, I take trips, not a lot and yes, I could just rent a car for
>> trips, but the current model works for me.
>>
>> A fun read on this topic, tongue firmly in cheek is:
>>
>> 1915 Ford Model T vs. 2013 Tesla Model S: Race of the Centuries
>> <https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a15112705/2013-tesla-model-s-vs-1915-ford-model-t-race-of-the-centuries-feature/>
>>
>> 1915 Ford Model T vs. 2013 Tesla Model S: Race of the Centuries
>>
>> We stage a multi-state enduro to find out if today's automotive pioneer
>> can outrun its predecessor.
>>
>> <https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a15112705/2013-tesla-model-s-vs-1915-ford-model-t-race-of-the-centuries-feature/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul Resch USA Cell phone 661-645-5266 email addresses pcresch@yahoo.com
>> resch@reschonline.com
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021, 12:47:33 PM CDT, Dan DiBiase <
>> dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Yes, there are 7000-something individual cells bundled into about 15
>> modules that make up the battery pack in the Model 3/Y (77kWh battery).
>>
>> Dan D
>> Central NJ USA
>> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:07 PM James Dillner <spr1ng19@outlook.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> This is a bit off topic, but did anyone see the pictures of the Tesla
>> wreck where the battery pack tore apart? There were thousands of little
>> sub-c cells.....batteries.....scattered all over the place. Somehow I
>> never dreamed that those power packs were made up of cells all linked
>> together.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* mg-mga-mgb@googlegroups.com <mg-mga-mgb@googlegroups.com> on
>> behalf of PaulBHunt73 <paulbhunt73@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 11:40 AM
>> *Cc:* mglist <mgs@autox.team.net>; MG-MGA-MGB <
>> MG-MGA-MGB@googlegroups.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] New MG Sports Car Concept
>>
>> Each to their own. I can't see myself ever buying an EV based on the
>> current range and recharging situation where they are little more than toys
>> for local journeys. If I get to the point when I'm still around and
>> driving but run out of satisfactory used 'real' cars to buy then I shall
>> revert to using my V8 as a daily driver as I did before.
>>
>> PaulH.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> Hans - one could argue that this concept IS a modern set-up.... ;-) Based
>> on my first month with my Tesla Model Y, I'd absolutely consider anything
>> with an electric drivetrain from this point on. I don't plan to buy another
>> internal combustion vehicle for my daily use.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">That said, I don't have an electric car. I've neve=
r spent near enough=C2=A0on a car to get one.=C2=A0</div><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 2=
:30 PM Paul Root <<a href=3D"mailto:ptroot@gmail.com";>ptroot@gmail.com</=
a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p=
x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">Jason of Engineering Explained, bought a Telsa=C2=A0Model 3 =
last year. He's done 2 2500 mile road trips, summer, and winter. And, o=
f course, has done youtube videos for them. Worth a look.=C2=A0<div><br></d=
iv><div>I hadn't heard that the batteries only last 50k miles. The firs=
t hit on a google search says 100-150k and/or 8 years.</div><div><br></div>=
</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">=
On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 2:19 PM Paul Noble <<a href=3D"mailto:noblepa@hot=
mail.com" target=3D"_blank">noblepa@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-lef=
t:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<span>I've wondered about the same things, regarding electric and hybri=
d cars.</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<span><br>
</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<span>Another thing to consider is that lithium is environmentally problema=
tic, both in mining it and disposing of it.</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<span><br>
</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<span>The problem is that gasoline is still one of the most economical, saf=
est and densest way to transport energy. In most cases, a tank of gasoline =
will take a car farther than a fully charged battery will.</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<span><br>
</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<span>The battery pack is usually much larger than the gas tank, and a lot =
heavier.</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<span><br>
</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<span>I've never owned a Prius or any other hybrid, but I've heard =
that you're lucky to get 50,000 miles on a set of batteries. Replacing =
them costs about $3-4k. That's one reason I wouldn't even consider =
a used Prius, unless the seller showed me receipts for
a very recent battery replacement. A Prius (or Tesla for that matter) with=
out batteries is like a conventional car without an engine. It might be a g=
ood deal, but you have to factor in the cost of replacing the batteries or =
engine.</span></div>
<div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_-5096601306626444364gmail-m_-6992287651865967615appendon=
send"></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
Current (no pun intended) technology requires, I believe, a couple of hours=
, at least, to recharge a fully depleted set of batteries on a fully electr=
ic vehicle. That makes long trips a problem, if you have to stop every four=
hours for a two hour recharge.
They could probably speed up the charging process but that would require m=
uch higher voltages or current flow, both of which can be dangerous and cre=
ate heat dissipation problems.</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
I've heard stories that rescue workers have been injured when trying to=
cut someone out of a crashed hybrid vehicle and accidentally cut through t=
he main battery cable. I know that first responders have been trained for t=
his now, but this remains a problem.</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
Of course, there is a chicken/egg problem with public charging stations. No=
one wants to spend a lot of money installing public charging stations unti=
l there are a lot of EVs to use them. Conversely, many buyers are reluctant=
to buy an EV because there are
not many public charging stations. That is why one of the features of the =
proposed infrastructure bill now being debated in Congress includes funding=
to build charging stations.</div>
<hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%">
<div id=3D"gmail-m_-5096601306626444364gmail-m_-6992287651865967615divRplyF=
wdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" sty=
le=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> 'Paul C Resch' via MG-MGA-MGB &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:mg-mga-mgb@googlegroups.com"; target=3D"_blank">mg-mga-m=
gb@googlegroups.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 6, 2021 2:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> James Dillner <<a href=3D"mailto:spr1ng19@outlook.com"; target=
=3D"_blank">spr1ng19@outlook.com</a>>; Dan DiBiase <<a href=3D"mailto=
:dan.dibiase@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">dan.dibiase@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> PaulBHunt73 <<a href=3D"mailto:paulbhunt73@gmail.com"; target=
=3D"_blank">paulbhunt73@gmail.com</a>>; mglist <<a href=3D"mailto:mgs=
@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">mgs@autox.team.net</a>>; MG-MGA-MGB &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mg-mga-mgb@googlegroups.com"; target=3D"_blank">mg-mga-=
mgb@googlegroups.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Off topic. Your mileage may vary. WAS Re: [Mgs] New MG Spor=
ts Car Concept</font>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</div>
<div>
<div style=3D"font-family:"times new roman","new york",=
times,serif;font-size:16px">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I am just looking to have a discussion, not an angry argum=
ent but feel I am missing something.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">When I had a Mazda6 I noticed the similarity to the Tesla =
S. Turns out same guy Franz von Holzhausen designed both.=C2=A0 Pretty simi=
lar.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Presuming the cars mission is the same.=C2=A0 Build qualit=
y similar, tire usage and performance in real world use equivalent I did so=
me comparisons.=C2=A0 Stupid fast Tesla acceleration is as useless as the M=
asda6's 600 mile per tank range.=C2=A0 =C2=A0My bladder
needs stops more frequently than 9 hours.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">In 100,000 miles Tesla recharges ($22.00 for 250 miles, I =
got this from Tesla) would run $8,800.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">In 100.00 at $2.75 a gallon, 35 miles per US Gallon and 10=
- $65 oil changes the total is about $8,500.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">But the Tesla costs over $70,000 and the Mazda6 half that.=
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Even if recharging at home was free, in 100,000 I am $25,0=
00 dollars ahead.=C2=A0 I am negating resale.=C2=A0 A 100,000 Mazda6 is nic=
ely broken in.. What's the $16.000 Tesla's battery life expectancy.=
=C2=A0 I just do not know.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">And a trip such as I just took to Montana last October, 5,=
000 miles would be nearly impossible.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I was in areas where gas stations were few and far between=
and charging non-existent.=C2=A0 One hotel out of 13 had charging stations=
.=C2=A0 Rapid charging hurts battery life.=C2=A0 Standing around for a half=
hour a couple of times a day could get old.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I think the European model of changeable battery packs is =
what will win.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Design a platform where you pull in, drop the vehicle into=
a system much like an automated car wash, and come back in 5 minutes with =
a fresh battery.=C2=A0 Changed from below.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Automatically changed.=C2=A0 SUVs might=C2=A0 have two bat=
teries.=C2=A0 Trucks might have more.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Your state of charge, car's pathway and prediction of =
needed packs would report to your car your assigned swap spot so A: you kne=
w you would have a battery ready and B: that there was no need to squeeze e=
very last drop out of yours.=C2=A0 You'd pay
a charge to belong to the system and what your battery had left. So if you=
wanted to stop every 2 hours for a rest break, just swap the half used bat=
tery.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I learned that in Wolfsburg's VW factory it is rare fo=
r the same model to be built in order as the robots don't care.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">The infrastructure of charging stations and having enough =
spigots is tough to see until many years from now.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">So please, I take trips, not a lot and yes, I could just r=
ent a car for trips, but the current model works for me.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">A fun read on this topic, tongue firmly in cheek is:</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a15112705=
/2013-tesla-model-s-vs-1915-ford-model-t-race-of-the-centuries-feature/" re=
l=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">1915 Ford Model T vs. 2013 Tesla Model S: =
Race of
the Centuries</a><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<div>Paul Resch USA Cell phone 661-645-5266 email addresses <a href=3D"mail=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Yes, there are 7000-something individual=C2=A0cells bundle=
d into about 15 modules that make up the battery pack in the Model 3/Y (77k=
Wh battery).
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<div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:07 PM James Dillner <<a href=
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This is a bit off topic, but did anyone see the pictures of the Tesla wreck=
where the battery pack tore apart?=C2=A0 There were thousands of little su=
b-c cells.....batteries.....scattered all over the place.=C2=A0 Somehow I n=
ever dreamed that those power packs were made
up of cells all linked together.=C2=A0<br clear=3D"none">
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 6, 2021 11:40 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Cc:</b> mglist <<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofollow=
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] New MG Sports Car Concept</font>
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<div><font size=3D"2">Each to their own.=C2=A0 I can't see myself=C2=A0=
ever buying an EV based on the current range and recharging situation where=
they are little more than toys for local journeys.=C2=A0 I</font><font siz=
e=3D"2">f=C2=A0I get to the point when I'm still around and
driving but=C2=A0run out of satisfactory used=C2=A0'real' cars=C2=
=A0to buy then I shall revert to using my V8 as a daily driver as I did bef=
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<div>Hans - one could argue that this concept IS a modern set-up.... ;-) Ba=
sed on my first month with my Tesla Model Y, I'd absolutely consider an=
ything with an electric drivetrain from this point on. I don't plan to =
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