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I own a 2007 Prius, it has just over 63K miles on it. It has two
batteries. One is a flooded lead acid, used for the same thing any car
uses its 12 volt battery for. The other (motor) battery is not lithium,
it's NiCd, commonly called nicad. It shares with the engine in moving
the car. Newer Prius use NiMH motor batteries up until 2015. IN 2015
and later Prius have NiMH or lithium ion, depending on model. The
motor battery in my Prius is still under warranty because it was a
"Toyota Certified" used car, bought from a Toyota dealer with less than
10K miles on the clock.
That motor battery is under the rear passenger seat and is encapsulated
in a housing. The gas tank is larger in volume.
Now, my Prius is not an EV, it's a hybrid gas/electric vehicle. It runs
on gasoline, uses the motor battery as an aid to movement when needed.Â
When I back out of my driveway it's an electric car. When I take off
down the street the engine kicks on as needed. OOPS, not quite true.Â
When I start my Prius from dead cold, the engine will start and run
until the catalytic converter warms up, then the engine shuts down until
needed to move the car. When the engine is not running it's an EV but it
recharges itself.
When running down the road my Prius is a 1.5 liter, 4 cylinder, gas
car. Stand on the throttle and it's a 3 liter V6 when the electric
motor kicks in, which is instantaneous. It's a great, comfortable road
car with fine freeway performance.
But, it's not an MGB.
CR
On 4/6/2021 2:32 PM, Paul Root wrote:
> That said, I don't have an electric car. I've never spent near
> enough on a car to get one.
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 2:30 PM Paul Root <ptroot@gmail.com
>
> Jason of Engineering Explained, bought a Telsa Model 3 last year.
> He's done 2 2500 mile road trips, summer, and winter. And, of
> course, has done youtube videos for them. Worth a look.
>
> I hadn't heard that the batteries only last 50k miles. The first
> hit on a google search says 100-150k and/or 8 years.
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 2:19 PM Paul Noble <noblepa@hotmail.com
>
> I've wondered about the same things, regarding electric and
> hybrid cars.
>
> Another thing to consider is that lithium is environmentally
> problematic, both in mining it and disposing of it.
>
> The problem is that gasoline is still one of the most
> economical, safest and densest way to transport energy. In
> most cases, a tank of gasoline will take a car farther than a
> fully charged battery will.
>
> The battery pack is usually much larger than the gas tank, and
> a lot heavier.
>
> I've never owned a Prius or any other hybrid, but I've heard
> that you're lucky to get 50,000 miles on a set of batteries.
> Replacing them costs about $3-4k. That's one reason I wouldn't
> even consider a used Prius, unless the seller showed me
> receipts for a very recent battery replacement. A Prius (or
> Tesla for that matter) without batteries is like a
> conventional car without an engine. It might be a good deal,
> but you have to factor in the cost of replacing the batteries
> or engine.
>
> Current (no pun intended) technology requires, I believe, a
> couple of hours, at least, to recharge a fully depleted set of
> batteries on a fully electric vehicle. That makes long trips a
> problem, if you have to stop every four hours for a two hour
> recharge. They could probably speed up the charging process
> but that would require much higher voltages or current flow,
> both of which can be dangerous and create heat dissipation
> problems.
>
> I've heard stories that rescue workers have been injured when
> trying to cut someone out of a crashed hybrid vehicle and
> accidentally cut through the main battery cable. I know that
> first responders have been trained for this now, but this
> remains a problem.
>
> Of course, there is a chicken/egg problem with public charging
> stations. No one wants to spend a lot of money installing
> public charging stations until there are a lot of EVs to use
> them. Conversely, many buyers are reluctant to buy an EV
> because there are not many public charging stations. That is
> why one of the features of the proposed infrastructure bill
> now being debated in Congress includes funding to build
> charging stations.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* 'Paul C Resch' via MG-MGA-MGB
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 2:49 PM
> *To:* James Dillner <spr1ng19@outlook.com
> *Cc:* PaulBHunt73 <paulbhunt73@gmail.com
> *Subject:* Off topic. Your mileage may vary. WAS Re: [Mgs] New
> MG Sports Car Concept
> I am just looking to have a discussion, not an angry argument
> but feel I am missing something.
>
> When I had a Mazda6 I noticed the similarity to the Tesla S.
> Turns out same guy Franz von Holzhausen designed both. Pretty
> similar.
>
> Presuming the cars mission is the same. Build quality
> similar, tire usage and performance in real world use
> equivalent I did some comparisons. Stupid fast Tesla
> acceleration is as useless as the Masda6's 600 mile per tank
> range.  My bladder needs stops more frequently than 9 hours.
>
> In 100,000 miles Tesla recharges ($22.00 for 250 miles, I got
> this from Tesla) would run $8,800.
>
> In 100.00 at $2.75 a gallon, 35 miles per US Gallon and 10 -
> $65 oil changes the total is about $8,500.
>
> But the Tesla costs over $70,000 and the Mazda6 half that.
>
> Even if recharging at home was free, in 100,000 I am $25,000
> dollars ahead. I am negating resale. A 100,000 Mazda6 is
> nicely broken in.. What's the $16.000 Tesla's battery life
> expectancy. I just do not know.
>
> And a trip such as I just took to Montana last October, 5,000
> miles would be nearly impossible.
>
> I was in areas where gas stations were few and far between and
> charging non-existent. One hotel out of 13 had charging
> stations. Rapid charging hurts battery life. Standing around
> for a half hour a couple of times a day could get old.
>
> I think the European model of changeable battery packs is what
> will win.
>
> Design a platform where you pull in, drop the vehicle into a
> system much like an automated car wash, and come back in 5
> minutes with a fresh battery. Changed from below.
>
> Automatically changed. SUVs might have two batteries.Â
> Trucks might have more.
>
> Your state of charge, car's pathway and prediction of needed
> packs would report to your car your assigned swap spot so A:
> you knew you would have a battery ready and B: that there was
> no need to squeeze every last drop out of yours. You'd pay a
> charge to belong to the system and what your battery had left.
> So if you wanted to stop every 2 hours for a rest break, just
> swap the half used battery.
>
> I learned that in Wolfsburg's VW factory it is rare for the
> same model to be built in order as the robots don't care.
>
> The infrastructure of charging stations and having enough
> spigots is tough to see until many years from now.
>
> So please, I take trips, not a lot and yes, I could just rent
> a car for trips, but the current model works for me.
>
> A fun read on this topic, tongue firmly in cheek is:
>
> 1915 Ford Model T vs. 2013 Tesla Model S: Race of the
> Centuries
>
> <https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a15112705/2013-tesla-model-s-vs-1915-ford-model-t-race-of-the-centuries-feature/>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 1915 Ford Model T vs. 2013 Tesla Model S: Race of the
> Centuries
>
> We stage a multi-state enduro to find out if today's
> automotive pioneer can outrun its predecessor.
>
>
> <https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a15112705/2013-tesla-model-s-vs-1915-ford-model-t-race-of-the-centuries-feature/>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul Resch USA Cell phone 661-645-5266 email addresses
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021, 12:47:33 PM CDT, Dan DiBiase
>
>
> Yes, there are 7000-something individual cells bundled into
> about 15 modules that make up the battery pack in the Model
> 3/Y (77kWh battery).
>
> Dan D
> Central NJ USA
> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
> <http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:07 PM James Dillner
>
> This is a bit off topic, but did anyone see the pictures
> of the Tesla wreck where the battery pack tore apart?Â
> There were thousands of little sub-c
> cells.....batteries.....scattered all over the place.Â
> Somehow I never dreamed that those power packs were made
> up of cells all linked together.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* mg-mga-mgb@googlegroups.com
> <mg-mga-mgb@googlegroups.com
> PaulBHunt73 <paulbhunt73@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 11:40 AM
> *Cc:* mglist <mgs@autox.team.net
> <MG-MGA-MGB@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] New MG Sports Car Concept
> Each to their own. I can't see myself ever buying an EV
> based on the current range and recharging situation where
> they are little more than toys for local journeys. If I
> get to the point when I'm still around and driving but run
> out of satisfactory used 'real' cars to buy then I shall
> revert to using my V8 as a daily driver as I did before.
> PaulH.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> Hans - one could argue that this concept IS a modern
> set-up.... ;-) Based on my first month with my Tesla
> Model Y, I'd absolutely consider anything with an
> electric drivetrain from this point on. I don't plan
> to buy another internal combustion vehicle for my
> daily use.
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<p>I own a 2007 Prius, it has just over 63K miles on it. It has two
batteries. One is a flooded lead acid, used for the same thing
any car uses its 12 volt battery for. The other (motor) battery is
not lithium, it's NiCd, commonly called nicad. It shares with the
engine in moving the car. Newer Prius use NiMH motor batteries
up until 2015. IN 2015 and later Prius have NiMH or lithium ion,
depending on model. The motor battery in my Prius is still under
warranty because it was a "Toyota Certified" used car, bought from
a Toyota dealer with less than 10K miles on the clock.</p>
<p>That motor battery is under the rear passenger seat and is
encapsulated in a housing. The gas tank is larger in volume.</p>
<p>Now, my Prius is not an EV, it's a hybrid gas/electric vehicle.Â
It runs on gasoline, uses the motor battery as an aid to movement
when needed. When I back out of my driveway it's an electric
car. When I take off down the street the engine kicks on as
needed. OOPS, not quite true. When I start my Prius from dead
cold, the engine will start and run until the catalytic converter
warms up, then the engine shuts down until needed to move the car.
When the engine is not running it's an EV but it recharges
itself. <br>
</p>
<p>When running down the road my Prius is a 1.5 liter, 4 cylinder,
gas car. Stand on the throttle and it's a 3 liter V6 when the
electric motor kicks in, which is instantaneous. It's a great,
comfortable road car with fine freeway performance. <br>
</p>
<p>But, it's not an MGB.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>CR<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/6/2021 2:32 PM, Paul Root wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAPxc_gGTtfnsdinMjPX1mFs13MZz3SjVcrMAJfK4q-9Sq_ZZSA@mail.gmail.com">
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<div dir="ltr">That said, I don't have an electric car. I've never
spent near enough on a car to get one. </div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 2:30 PM
Paul Root <<a href="mailto:ptroot@gmail.com";
moz-do-not-send="true">ptroot@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">Jason of Engineering Explained, bought a
Telsa Model 3 last year. He's done 2 2500 mile road trips,
summer, and winter. And, of course, has done youtube videos
for them. Worth a look.Â
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I hadn't heard that the batteries only last 50k miles.
The first hit on a google search says 100-150k and/or 8
years.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at
2:19 PM Paul Noble <<a
href="mailto:noblepa@hotmail.com"; target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">noblepa@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">
<div
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><span>I've
wondered about the same things, regarding electric
and hybrid cars.</span></div>
<div
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><span><br>
</span></div>
<div
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><span>Another
thing to consider is that lithium is environmentally
problematic, both in mining it and disposing of
it.</span></div>
<div
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><span><br>
</span></div>
<div
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><span>The
problem is that gasoline is still one of the most
economical, safest and densest way to transport
energy. In most cases, a tank of gasoline will take
a car farther than a fully charged battery
will.</span></div>
<div
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><span><br>
</span></div>
<div
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><span>The
battery pack is usually much larger than the gas
tank, and a lot heavier.</span></div>
<div
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><span><br>
</span></div>
<div
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><span>I've
never owned a Prius or any other hybrid, but I've
heard that you're lucky to get 50,000 miles on a set
of batteries. Replacing them costs about $3-4k.
That's one reason I wouldn't even consider a used
Prius, unless the seller showed me receipts for a
very recent battery replacement. A Prius (or Tesla
for that matter) without batteries is like a
conventional car without an engine. It might be a
good deal, but you have to factor in the cost of
replacing the batteries or engine.</span></div>
<div>
<div
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><br>
</div>
<div
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Current
(no pun intended) technology requires, I believe, a
couple of hours, at least, to recharge a fully
depleted set of batteries on a fully electric
vehicle. That makes long trips a problem, if you
have to stop every four hours for a two hour
recharge. They could probably speed up the charging
process but that would require much higher voltages
or current flow, both of which can be dangerous and
create heat dissipation problems.</div>
<div
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><br>
</div>
<div
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">I've
heard stories that rescue workers have been injured
when trying to cut someone out of a crashed hybrid
vehicle and accidentally cut through the main
battery cable. I know that first responders have
been trained for this now, but this remains a
problem.</div>
<div
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><br>
</div>
<div
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Of
course, there is a chicken/egg problem with public
charging stations. No one wants to spend a lot of
money installing public charging stations until
there are a lot of EVs to use them. Conversely, many
buyers are reluctant to buy an EV because there are
not many public charging stations. That is why one
of the features of the proposed infrastructure bill
now being debated in Congress includes funding to
build charging stations.</div>
<hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%">
<div
id="gmail-m_-5096601306626444364gmail-m_-6992287651865967615divRplyFwdMsg"
dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt"
face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b>
'Paul C Resch' via MG-MGA-MGB <<a
href="mailto:mg-mga-mgb@googlegroups.com";
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">mg-mga-mgb@googlegroups.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 6, 2021 2:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> James Dillner <<a
href="mailto:spr1ng19@outlook.com";
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">spr1ng19@outlook.com</a>>;
Dan DiBiase <<a
href="mailto:dan.dibiase@gmail.com";
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">dan.dibiase@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> PaulBHunt73 <<a
href="mailto:paulbhunt73@gmail.com";
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">paulbhunt73@gmail.com</a>>;
mglist <<a href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net";
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">mgs@autox.team.net</a>>;
MG-MGA-MGB <<a
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target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">mg-mga-mgb@googlegroups.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Off topic. Your mileage may vary.
WAS Re: [Mgs] New MG Sports Car Concept</font>
<div>Â </div>
</div>
<div>
<div style="font-family:"times new
roman","new
york",times,serif;font-size:16px">
<div>
<div dir="ltr">I am just looking to have a
discussion, not an angry argument but feel I
am missing something.</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">When I had a Mazda6 I noticed the
similarity to the Tesla S. Turns out same guy
Franz von Holzhausen designed both. Pretty
similar.</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">Presuming the cars mission is the
same. Build quality similar, tire usage and
performance in real world use equivalent I did
some comparisons. Stupid fast Tesla
acceleration is as useless as the Masda6's 600
mile per tank range.  My bladder needs stops
more frequently than 9 hours.</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">In 100,000 miles Tesla recharges
($22.00 for 250 miles, I got this from Tesla)
would run $8,800.</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">In 100.00 at $2.75 a gallon, 35
miles per US Gallon and 10 - $65 oil changes
the total is about $8,500.</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">But the Tesla costs over $70,000
and the Mazda6 half that.</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">Even if recharging at home was
free, in 100,000 I am $25,000 dollars ahead.Â
I am negating resale. A 100,000 Mazda6 is
nicely broken in.. What's the $16.000 Tesla's
battery life expectancy. I just do not know.</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">And a trip such as I just took to
Montana last October, 5,000 miles would be
nearly impossible.</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">I was in areas where gas stations
were few and far between and charging
non-existent. One hotel out of 13 had
charging stations. Rapid charging hurts
battery life. Standing around for a half hour
a couple of times a day could get old.</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">I think the European model of
changeable battery packs is what will win.</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">Design a platform where you pull
in, drop the vehicle into a system much like
an automated car wash, and come back in 5
minutes with a fresh battery. Changed from
below.</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">Automatically changed. SUVs
might have two batteries. Trucks might have
more.</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">Your state of charge, car's
pathway and prediction of needed packs would
report to your car your assigned swap spot so
A: you knew you would have a battery ready and
B: that there was no need to squeeze every
last drop out of yours. You'd pay a charge to
belong to the system and what your battery had
left. So if you wanted to stop every 2 hours
for a rest break, just swap the half used
battery.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">I learned that in Wolfsburg's VW
factory it is rare for the same model to be
built in order as the robots don't care.</div>
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</div>
<div dir="ltr">The infrastructure of charging
stations and having enough spigots is tough to
see until many years from now.</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">So please, I take trips, not a
lot and yes, I could just rent a car for
trips, but the current model works for me.</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">A fun read on this topic, tongue
firmly in cheek is:</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr"><a
href="https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a15112705/2013-tesla-model-s-vs-1915-ford-model-t-race-of-the-centuries-feature/";
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the Centuries</h2>
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stage a
multi-state enduro
to find out if
today's automotive
pioneer can outrun
its predecessor.</p>
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<div>Paul Resch USA Cell phone 661-645-5266
email addresses <a
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Dan DiBiase <<a
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<div dir="ltr">Yes, there are
7000-something individual cells bundled
into about 15 modules that make up the
battery pack in the Model 3/Y (77kWh
battery).
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is a bit off topic, but did
anyone see the pictures of the
Tesla wreck where the battery
pack tore apart? There were
thousands of little sub-c
cells.....batteries.....scattered
all over the place. Somehow I
never dreamed that those power
packs were made up of cells all
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<div><font size="2">Each to
their own. I can't see
myself ever buying an EV
based on the current range
and recharging situation
where they are little more
than toys for local
journeys. I</font><font
size="2">f I get to the
point when I'm still
around and driving but run
out of satisfactory
used 'real' cars to buy
then I shall revert to
using my V8 as a daily
driver as I did
before.</font></div>
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<div>Hans - one could
argue that this concept
IS a modern set-up....
;-) Based on my first
month with my Tesla
Model Y, I'd absolutely
consider anything with
an electric drivetrain
from this point on. I
don't plan to buy
another internal
combustion vehicle for
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