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Re: Tiger Concours Judging...

To: sosnaenergyconsulting <sosnaenergyconsulting@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Tiger Concours Judging...
From: Theo Smit <tsmit@shaw.ca>
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:07:32 -0600
I left out some additional comments in my last email:

In a lot of cases, rules get made, and then survive for years without anyone
reviewing them critically to see if they're still applicable or desirable. Way
back when I was involved with the Alberta Autoslalom Championship series, there
was a rule that going to a different rim diameter would give you some
significant number of prep points, which really penalized the people that had
gone +1 or +2 on their rims. I asked around and found out that the rule was
originally put in place to nail the folks that had gone to smaller rims (to
improve acceleration), so we then rewrote the rules in a suitable manner.
In the case of Tigers, I would say that 15" rims have been available long
enough, and tire availability is such, that the process of going to a 15" rim
setup is not significantly more expensive or harder than getting new 13" rims,
and as long as the wheels are suitably styled, they don't significantly detract
from the character of the car.
Speaking of "suitably styled"... whatever became of the 15" LAT-70 style wheel
that was made by H and S at the same time as the 13" wheel? Did it ever go into
volume production? If you managed to stuff the wheel wells of a Tiger with some
of those, you'd probably escape the notice of at least a few folks...

Theo



sosnaenergyconsulting wrote:

> Actually, the popularity of 15" rims brings up an interesting thought:
> The LeMans Tigers had 15" rims (Norm, kudos for having put together
> TBON!).  Too bad we can't get copies of THEM at a comprable Panasport
> price for our cars.  In addition to expanding our wheel options, there'd
> be a historical Rootes connection to using copies of those wheels--or am
> I the only one who'd be interested?
>
> Regards, All
>
> David Sosna
>
> Jerold VanderPool wrote:
>
> > Erich:  I think that you have hit the nail right on the head.  We have 16"
> > wheels on our Tiger, so the ruling doesn't really affect us, but for those
> > who have a stock or personalized Tigers, 15" wheels and good rubber is a
> > must if you wish to compete. Whose idea was this anyway and what is the
> > reasoning behind it?  Jerry and Marlene with the Candy Apple Tiger in
> > Cambria.----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kathy and Erich Coiner" <kathy.coiner@gte.net>
> > To: <tigers@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 7:38 AM
> > Subject: Re: Tiger Concours Judging...
> >
> >
> >
> >>Dividing the tiger up into too many sub classes is neither needed or
> >>desireable.
> >>There are too few of these cars to divide up.  The Tahoe United had only 3
> >>cars entered in stock class.  If you had a drop dead gorgeous stock Tiger
> >>with every bolt and hose clamp correct, except for a dual master cylinder,
> >>you would win most Tiger gathering concours. You would not lose enough
> >>points to hurt compared to the competition. (Except in 02 in Mammoth Dale
> >>A's car was unbeatable)
> >>
> >>My gripe is that 15 inch diameter wheels are not allowed in Personalized
> >>class.
> >>The availability of good rubber in 13 and 14 inch is getting pathetic.
> >>
> > The
> >
> >>size of the wheel is not as big a key to handling as the drivers skill.
> >>15 inch diameter wheels were available when the Tiger was new. They were
> >>standard size on a TR4.  I think the line should be drawn between 15 and
> >>
> > 16
> >
> >>inch and not between 14 and 15.
> >>
> >>Erich
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: <wittsend@jps.net>
> >>To: <tigers@autox.team.net>
> >>Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:56 AM
> >>Subject: Re: Tiger Concours Judging...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>  As I have read through these the dividing line seems to be TOTALLY
> >>>
> > stock
> >
> >>VS stock, but modified for saftey and practical reasons. Typically the
> >>latter would put the car in the personalized catagory where it being
> >>
> > "nearly
> >
> >>stock" would have to compete with cars that are.... well, more inovative.
> >>
> >>>  Perhaps the answer it two "personaized" catagories. Stock can stay
> >>>
> > bone
> >
> >>stock for the purist, but "personalized stock" (perhaps better called
> >>"practical stock") would have criteria that defines stock except for
> >>spacific agreed upon safety modifications. "Personal modified" would
> >>
> > include
> >
> >>any modifications beyond those defined in "personalized stock."
> >>
> >>>  This gives the purist his (or her) totally stock catagory, yet
> >>>
> > provides
> >
> >>for "practical" modifications to an otherwise stock are spacifically for
> >>safety. Thus, the total stock catagory remains as such, but a new catagory
> >>is created that spacifically defines safety matters from inovative or
> >>performance modifications found in a typical "personalized" class.
> >>
> >>>____________________________
> >>>
> >>>0
> >>>          B9470101
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> >>>___________________________/
> >>>
> >>>(I knew I would be able to sneek rivets into this somehow, if it
> >>>
> > delivers
> >
> >>the way it looks now) Tom
> >>
> >>>.

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