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Tod
Very interesting that Norm has changed his position.
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I have received no engine information to confirm the existence of 289 =
engine blocks in the Mk 1A production build.
Yes it is very possible that Rootes did this but I would like to see the =
evidence before I change my position.
=20
Ron Fraser
=20
From: Tod Brown [mailto:todbrown@roadrunner.com]=20
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 10:00 AM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com>; tigers@Autox.Team.Net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] MkII VINs
=20
Hi Ron:
Interesting. I had a conversation with Norm just recently and he said =
just the opposite, that there were a few cars that were built by Jensen =
at the end of the MkIA run with all of the changes that were =
incorporated on the MkII's just to make sure it would all go together. =
Those cars carried the MkIA badging. I made a mistake in my description =
in my previous email about the specific changes. I referred to a Watts =
linkage rear setup. That was incorrect. I meant to say Panhard rod, as =
that was the change incorporated into the MkII's, as you know.
I suggested to Norm that it would be a good idea for him to publish what =
he knows about the MkII changeover process, but have not heard anything =
back from him. As you may know, as the editor of Rootes Review, I ran an =
ad for the MkII prototype, B382100002 LRXFE in the June issue past. When =
I got the info about the car and the request to run the ad, I was =
somewhat skeptical since a lot of the MkII trim was missing, so I =
contacted Norm. It was the result of our resultant conversation that he =
mentioned the MkIA's with the 289s. I was surprised when he mentioned =
them because, like you, I had always believed it to be a myth. However, =
the oracle has spoken. If Norm is reading this, I would urge him to =
weigh in to settle this.
Cheers,
Tod
On 7/16/2016 8:39 AM, Ron Fraser wrote:
Tod
I don=E2=80=99t believe any Mk 1A originally came with a =
289 engine. I see no evidence of anything but the B19KC 260 engine =
group for the last production Mk 1A. Norm Miller calls the 289 engine =
in Mk 1As a myth. It would be nice to have real evidence to confirm =
either position.
=20
My Original Tiger Engine Study does not contain specific information for =
the engines in the last dozen or so Mk 1As produced. Owners lets change =
that.
=20
I will gladly accept and examine engine information for any original =
Tiger engine. I have a worksheet that is easy to fill out =E2=80=93 =
just ask for one.
=20
Ron Fraser
=20
From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tod =
Brown via Tigers
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] MkII VINs
=20
Actually, there were two MkII's assembled by Rootes before production =
was turned=20
over to Jensen. They carry serial numbers B382100001 and B382100002 but =
no JAL
numbers. The Jensen run began with B382100100 and ended with ...633. See =
the
note in the SS Catalog:
MARK II PRODUCTION NUMBERS VARY. CARS WITH
SERIAL # B382100001=20
AND #B382100002 EXIST WITH NO JAL #=E2=80=99S (JENSEN ALPINE LTD. BODY =
#)=20
WHICH INDICATES THE CARS WERE COMPLETELY ASSEMBLED BY ROOTES,=20
NEVER GOING TO THE JENSEN PLANT AND MUST HAVE BEEN A PRE-
PRODUCTION PILOT CARS. THE NEXT MK II IS B382100
100 WHICH CARRIES=20
A JAL NUMBER, THE FIRST OF THE MK II SERIES.
There were also six (IIRC) MkIA's fitted with the MkII mechanicals (289 =
block, wide-
ratio trans, modified Watts linkage, etc.) but were badged as MkIA's at =
the end of
the MkIA run at Jensen.=20
Tod Brown
B382002384LRXFE
TAC 864=20
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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowte=
xt'>Tod<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowte=
xt'>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Very interesting that Norm has changed his =
position.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowte=
xt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowte=
xt'>I have received no engine information to confirm the existence of =
289 engine blocks in the Mk 1A production build.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowte=
xt'>Yes it is very possible that Rootes did this but I would like to see =
the evidence before I change my position.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowte=
xt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowte=
xt'>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowte=
xt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowte=
xt'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowte=
xt'> Tod Brown [mailto:todbrown@roadrunner.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> =
Saturday, July 16, 2016 10:00 AM<br><b>To:</b> Ron Fraser =
<rfraser@bluefrog.com>; tigers@Autox.Team.Net<br><b>Subject:</b> =
Re: [Tigers] MkII VINs<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hi =
Ron:<br><br>Interesting. I had a conversation with Norm just recently =
and he said just the opposite, that there were a few cars that were =
built by Jensen at the end of the MkIA run with all of the changes that =
were incorporated on the MkII's just to make sure it would all go =
together. Those cars carried the MkIA badging. I made a mistake in my =
description in my previous email about the specific changes. I referred =
to a Watts linkage rear setup. That was incorrect. I meant to say =
Panhard rod, as that was the change incorporated into the MkII's, as you =
know.<br><br>I suggested to Norm that it would be a good idea for him to =
publish what he knows about the MkII changeover process, but have not =
heard anything back from him. As you may know, as the editor of Rootes =
Review, I ran an ad for the MkII prototype, B382100002 LRXFE in the June =
issue past. When I got the info about the car and the request to run the =
ad, I was somewhat skeptical since a lot of the MkII trim was missing, =
so I contacted Norm. It was the result of our resultant conversation =
that he mentioned the MkIA's with the 289s. I was surprised when he =
mentioned them because, like you, I had always believed it to be a myth. =
However, the oracle has spoken. If Norm is reading this, I would urge =
him to weigh in to settle this.<br><br>Cheers,<br><br>Tod<br><br>On =
7/16/2016 8:39 AM, Ron Fraser wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowte=
xt'>Tod</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowte=
xt'> &nb=
sp; I don=E2=80=99t believe any Mk 1A originally came =
with a 289 engine. I see no evidence of anything but the B19KC 260 =
engine group for the last production Mk 1A. Norm Miller calls the =
289 engine in Mk 1As a myth. It would be nice to have real =
evidence to confirm either position.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowte=
xt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowte=
xt'>My <b>Original Tiger Engine Study</b> does not contain specific =
information for the engines in the last dozen or so Mk 1As =
produced. Owners lets change that.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowte=
xt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowte=
xt'>I will gladly accept and examine engine information for any original =
Tiger engine. I have a worksheet that is easy to fill out =
=E2=80=93 just ask for one.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowte=
xt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowte=
xt'>Ron Fraser</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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xt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowte=
xt'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowte=
xt'> Tigers [<a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:tigers-bounces@autox=
.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tod Brown via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> =
Friday, July 15, 2016 7:28 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Sub=
ject:</b> Re: [Tigers] MkII VINs</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Actually, there were two MkII's =
assembled by Rootes before production was turned <br>over to Jensen. =
They carry serial numbers B382100001 and B382100002 but no =
JAL<br>numbers. The Jensen run began with B382100100 and ended with =
...633. See the<br>note in the SS Catalog:</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>MARK II =
PRODUCTION NUMBERS VARY. CARS WITH</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>SERIAL # =
B382100001 </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>AND #B382100002 =
EXIST WITH NO JAL #=E2=80=99S (JENSEN ALPINE LTD. BODY #) =
</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>WHICH INDICATES =
THE CARS WERE COMPLETELY ASSEMBLED BY ROOTES, =
</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>NEVER GOING TO =
THE JENSEN PLANT AND MUST HAVE BEEN A =
PRE-</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>PRODUCTION =
PILOT CARS. THE NEXT MK II IS B382100</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>100 WHICH =
CARRIES </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>A JAL NUMBER, =
THE FIRST OF THE MK II SERIES.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>There =
were also six (IIRC) MkIA's fitted with the MkII mechanicals (289 block, =
wide-<br>ratio trans, modified Watts linkage, etc.) but were badged as =
MkIA's at the end of<br>the MkIA run at Jensen. <br><br>Tod =
Brown<br>B382002384LRXFE<br>TAC 864 =
</span><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p =
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