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Subject: Fwd: PING PING
From: CarterCM@aol.com
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:14:04 EDT
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Alex,
 
Thanks for nicely clarifying the point of the question I tried to raise 
(without digging out my old organic chem books). While as Tom pointed out, 
gas (or the cocktail of compounds within the range of what refiners are 
allowed to call *gasoline*) may all burn at the same rate under controlled 
conditions but lower and higher refined grades do perform differently in an 
engine. Of course this is muddied by the fact that additives modify the way 
gas burns or resists detonation, and also allows refiners to sell a 
lower-refined (cheaper-to-produce) product that achieves a higher octane 
rating.
 
An interesting side note. In the early days when unleaded fuel was first 
introduced, unleaded was more expensive because it had to be more highly 
refined to achieve the octane rating required by the engines of the day, 
without adding tetra-ethyl lead (remember Premium used to be called Ethyl). 
Most cars didn't have catalytic converters yet but removing the lead cleaned 
up emissions. Anyway, back then you could create a *super* fuel of higher 
octane than Premium by adding a few gallons of Premium into a tank of  
unleaded. The lead in the Premium boosted the octane of the highly-refined 
unleaded above Premium levels.
 
Craig Carter
 
 
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:02:17 EDT
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In a message dated 9/25/00 7:31:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, aavery@rica.net 
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<< With lower octane, i.e. less refined, fuels, there is a higher fraction of 
lower and higher molecular weight carbon compounds--such as pentane (5 
carbons) and hexane (six carbons) and 11 and 12 carbon compounds.  Not only 
do the lower weight compounds light-off at lower temperatures, but the more 
heterogenous the fuel mixture, the more unstable it will be. *(octane ratings 
are, as most know, just measures of the percentage of lower and higher carbon 
compounds in the gas mixture, with the eight carbon molecule "octane" being 
ideal for gasoline engines.)  
 
The reason higher octane, more refined fuels are more detonation-resistant is 
they have more heptane (7 carbons), octane, nonane (nine carbons), and less 
of the smaller and larger carbon molecules and are therefore more stable at 
higher temperatures--therefore, they only ignite when initiated by a spark 
and the whole process is much more predictable with the more uniform the fuel 
mixture. >>
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Alex,

Thanks for nicely clarifying the point of the question I tried to raise 
(without digging out my old organic chem books). While as Tom pointed out, 
gas (or the cocktail of compounds within the range of what refiners are 
allowed to call *gasoline*) may all burn at the same rate under controlled 
conditions but lower and higher refined grades do perform differently in an 
engine. Of course this is muddied by the fact that additives modify the way 
gas burns or resists detonation, and also allows refiners to sell a 
lower-refined (cheaper-to-produce) product that achieves a higher octane 
rating.

An interesting side note. In the early days when unleaded fuel was first 
introduced, unleaded was more expensive because it had to be more highly 
refined to achieve the octane rating required by the engines of the day, 
without adding tetra-ethyl lead (remember Premium used to be called Ethyl). 
Most cars didn't have catalytic converters yet but removing the lead cleaned 
up emissions. Anyway, back then you could create a *super* fuel of higher 
octane than Premium by adding a few gallons of Premium into a tank of  
unleaded. The lead in the Premium boosted the octane of the highly-refined 
unleaded above Premium levels.

Craig Carter



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