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Maybe anti seize hadn't been invented when the manual was written. Anti
seize surely does get onto every surface once you apply it in one place.
-Roland
On Sun, May 10, 2020, 6:48 PM Perry via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
wrote:
> Yes this could turn into an all familiar thread on oils however lets just
> go back to what every factory service/workshop manual all say about the
> maintenance or service of the wire wheel splines, =E2=80=9CA little greas=
e should
> be smeared upon the splines and cone faces of the hub and wheel before
> refitting.=E2=80=9D
>
> Perry
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Mirek Sharp <m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca>
> *Sent: *Sunday, May 10, 2020 7:36 PM
> *To: *'Perry' <healeyguy@aol.com>
>
> Perhaps a little tangential to the main thread, and fully aware of the
> likelihood of me being accused of being pedantic (which never happens on
> this list J), but regarding what to use on splines to stop the wheel
> seizing on, I have never understood why the recommendation is always for
> grease. Grease is designed to lubricate parts, whereas the intent of
> applying it to the splines is to prevent them seizing on, not reduce
> friction (i.e., lubricate). For that reason I have always used an
> anti-seizing product, my favourite being Permatex Copper Anti-Seize
> Lubricant (they call it a lubricant, but woe betide anyone who actually
> uses it to lubricate). It should be used very sparingly, and I have never
> had an issue with a wheel sizing on the splines. A very fine smear of
> grease on the outside of the taper on the knock-off I agree is a good thi=
ng
> as the intent there IS to lubricate. Also, providing it is used sparingl=
y,
> I have never had it seep out of the hub and onto the spokes, avoiding the
> (in my opinion) terrible practice of smearing sillycone (mis-spell
> intended) over the spoke heads inside the hub. Not to say grease does no=
t
> work, it will, but why not use a product designed for the purpose, and
> achieve clean spokes at the same time?
>
>
>
> Cheers, Mirek
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Part III Knock offs
>
>
>
> Replacement parts-not NOS-what if the knockoff bottoms out on the spline
> face before it tightens to the cone of the wire wheel? A combination of
> measured errors on replacement parts could create this condition-front to
> back. The knockoffs were made to tighten, but not be whaled upon. If
> properly applied each side they are self tightening and I normally spin
> them on hand tight, hit them with the rawhide snug while still up in the
> air, and then wack them one more time on the ground with the copper side =
of
> Thor.
>
>
>
> One time in the early '70s I witnessed a BMC "mechanic" whaling on a
> knockoff of the Healey, still hanging on the lube rack, with a ten pound
> long handle sledge hammer! Flat ears? you betcha.
>
>
>
> I would make sure that when mounted, the front edge of the wheel is just
> forward of the inner depth of the knockoff so that it actually contacts
> metal as it snugs it to the rear ring on the hub.
>
>
>
> Also-grease-not to much- but be sure splines, and ring of hub, and
> knockoff threads have a light smear. I use HD wheel bearing grease so it
> doesn't seep out the spoke nibs like moly or light grease would. Hank
>
> -----------------------------------------
>
> From: "Perry via Healeys"
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] The Saturday Night Rant - Part III Knock offs
>
> Michael et al,
>
> Contemplate the mechanical connections between the hub extension, wire
> wheel hub and the knockoff.
>
> The hub extension is bolted to the axle using tapered nuts that seat in
> the face of the extension. No rotational movement.
>
> The wire wheel is connected to the hub extension via the splines. The
> tolerances in the splines may allow for some rotational movement but they
> have to be loose enough to get the wheel off the extension.
>
> What else holds the wheel in place=E2=80=A6the knockoff. The cone in the =
knock off
> forces the wire wheel hub against the hub extension, The contact interfac=
e
> is the tapers on the hub extension and the wire wheel hub. You know the
> little area that we are frequently reminded to apply a smear of grease to
> stop the little squeaky noise at low speed. If the knock off is tight
> enough there is not movement here either.
>
> So Mike, if you see movement between the knock off and the wire wheel, th=
e
> knock off is not tight enough.
>
> Suspect that the folks that developed knock offs understood the problem o=
f
> owners/mechanics not getting them tight enough and used the handed (left
> and right) threads that self tighten.
>
> Gentlemen, remember your Mother today!
>
> Perry
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
>
> *Subject: *[Healeys] The Saturday Night Rant - Part III
>
>
>
> At my age (approaching this side of 70) I am on lock down at my house. I
> even have my groceries delivered. I will only go out to eat at a drive
> through with an N95 mask on. My Boston Terrier that goes with me does no=
t
> wear one. He refuses, but he is only three years old. So, being
> sequestered to my domicile I have taken up the restoration of my BN2 with=
a
> vengeance. I did not know I knew so many off color phrases. Everything =
to
> be done on this car is difficult due to parts incompatibility, parts fit,
> parts unavailability or just my general ignorance and/or incompetence.
> This evening I finished mounting the right side front hub with all new
> parts. I thought I had done a nice job. No lateral play in the hub.
> Turns easily without binding. The correct amount of shims after much tri=
al
> and error. Disc brake conversion was mounted and braided stainless steel
> flex brake lines hooked up at both ends. I have yet to run the brake
> lines. Maybe next. This rant is about the brand new Dayton wire wheels=
.
> I mounted the wire wheels which have temporary used tires on them so I ca=
n
> move the car when it is down off the dollies. After mounting the wheel I
> gave the two eared knockoff several pretty good whacks. Now the moment o=
f
> truth. I grabbed the wheel at 9 and 3 o'clock position and pulled straig=
ht
> back and forth. Yay! No play, but when I rocked the wheel it moved
> slightly. I thought it was the hub, but looking closely you can see the
> wire wheel hub rocking back and forth in the knockoff! What!?! How hard
> are you supposed to hit those knockoffs?
>
> Mike MacLean
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Maybe anti seize hadn't been invented when the manual=
was written.=C2=A0 Anti seize surely does get onto every surface once you =
apply it in one place.=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto">-Roland</div></div><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, May 10, =
2020, 6:48 PM Perry via Healeys <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.ne=
t">healeys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left=
:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"#954F72"><div class=3D"m_-=
8156788454951853000WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Yes this could turn=
into an all familiar thread on oils however lets just go back to what ever=
y factory service/workshop manual all say about the maintenance or service =
of the wire wheel splines, =E2=80=9CA little grease should be smeared upon =
the splines and cone faces of the hub and wheel before refitting.=E2=80=9D<=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Perry</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u><=
/u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from <a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com=
/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">Mail</a> for=
Windows 10</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div style=3D=
"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"border:none;padding:0in"><b>From: </b><a href=
=3D"mailto:m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">Mir=
ek Sharp</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Sunday, May 10, 2020 7:36 PM<br><b>To: </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:healeyguy@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">'=
;Perry'</a><br><br><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
lang=3D"EN-CA">Perhaps a little tangential to the main thread, and fully a=
ware of the likelihood of me being accused of being pedantic (which never h=
appens on this list </span><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-family:Wingdi=
ngs">J</span><span lang=3D"EN-CA">), but regarding what to use on splines t=
o stop the wheel seizing on, I have never understood why the recommendation=
is always for grease.=C2=A0 Grease is designed to lubricate parts, whereas=
=C2=A0 the intent of applying it to the splines is to prevent them seizing =
on, not reduce friction (i.e., lubricate).=C2=A0 For that reason I have alw=
ays used an anti-seizing product, my favourite being Permatex Copper Anti-S=
eize Lubricant (they call it a lubricant, but woe betide anyone who actuall=
y uses it to lubricate). It should be used very sparingly, and I have never=
had an issue with a wheel sizing on the splines.=C2=A0 A very fine smear o=
f grease on the outside of the taper on the knock-off I agree is a good thi=
ng as the intent there IS to lubricate.=C2=A0 Also, providing it is used sp=
aringly, I have never had it seep out of the hub and onto the spokes, avoid=
ing the (in my opinion) terrible practice of smearing sillycone (mis-spell =
intended) over the spoke heads inside the hub.=C2=A0 Not to say grease does=
not work, it will, but why not use a product designed for the purpose, and=
achieve clean spokes at the same time?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">Cheers, Mirek<u></u><u></u></span></p><div=
><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in=
0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Subject:</span></b><span style=3D"font-=
size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> Re: [Healeys] Part =
III Knock offs<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span lang=3D"EN-CA"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span lang=3D"EN-CA">Replacement parts-not NOS-what if the knockoff=C2=A0 bo=
ttoms out on the spline face before it tightens to the cone of the wire whe=
el?=C2=A0 A combination of measured errors on replacement parts could creat=
e this condition-front to back. The knockoffs were made to tighten, but not=
be whaled upon.=C2=A0 If properly applied each side they are self tighteni=
ng and I normally spin them on hand tight, hit them with the rawhide snug w=
hile still up in the air, and then wack them one more time on the ground wi=
th the copper side of Thor.<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">One time in the early '70s I witne=
ssed a BMC "mechanic" whaling on a knockoff of the Healey, still =
hanging on the lube rack, with a ten pound long handle sledge hammer!=C2=A0=
Flat ears? you betcha.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">I would make sure that when mounted,=
the front edge of the wheel is just forward of the inner depth of the knoc=
koff so that it actually contacts metal as it snugs it to the rear ring on =
the hub.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-CA"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">Also-grease-no=
t to much- but be sure splines, and ring of hub, and knockoff threads have =
a light smear. I use HD wheel bearing grease=C2=A0 so it doesn't seep o=
ut the spoke nibs like moly or light grease would. Hank<u></u><u></u></span=
></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-CA">-----------------------------------------<u></=
u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><=
span lang=3D"EN-CA">From: "Perry via Healeys" <br>Subject: Re: [H=
ealeys] The Saturday Night Rant - Part III Knock offs</span><span lang=3D"E=
N-CA" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",ser=
if"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">Mi=
chael et al,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"E=
N-CA">Contemplate the mechanical connections between the hub extension, wir=
e wheel hub and the knockoff. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">The hub extension is bolted to the axle using taper=
ed nuts that seat in the face of the extension. No rotational movement.<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">The wire w=
heel is connected to the hub extension via the splines. The tolerances in t=
he splines may allow for some rotational movement but they have to be loose=
enough to get the wheel off the extension. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">What else holds the wheel in place=E2=
=80=A6the knockoff. The cone in the knock off forces the wire wheel hub aga=
inst the hub extension, The contact interface is the tapers on the hub exte=
nsion and the wire wheel hub. You know the little area that we are frequent=
ly reminded to apply a smear of grease to stop the little squeaky noise at =
low speed. If the knock off is tight enough there is not movement here eith=
er.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">So =
Mike, if you see movement between the knock off and the wire wheel, the kno=
ck off is not tight enough.=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">Suspect that the folks that developed knock off=
s understood the problem of owners/mechanics not getting them tight enough =
and used the handed (left and right) threads that self tighten. <u></u><u><=
/u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">Gentlemen, rememb=
er your Mother today!<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
lang=3D"EN-CA">Perry<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span l=
ang=3D"EN-CA">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span l=
ang=3D"EN-CA">Sent from <a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=
=3D550986" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">Mail</a> for Windows 10<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">=C2=A0<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0=
pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><=
br><b>Subject: </b>[Healeys] The Saturday Night Rant - Part III<u></u><u></=
u></span></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">=C2=A0<u></u=
><u></u></span></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" st=
yle=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">At m=
y age (approaching this side of 70) I am on lock down at my house.=C2=A0 I =
even have my groceries delivered.=C2=A0 I will only go out to eat at a driv=
e through with an N95 mask on.=C2=A0 My Boston Terrier that goes with me do=
es not wear one.=C2=A0 He refuses, but he is only three years old.=C2=A0 So=
, being sequestered to my domicile I have taken up the restoration of my BN=
2 with a vengeance.=C2=A0 I did not know I knew so many off color phrases.=
=C2=A0 Everything to be done on this car is difficult due to parts incompat=
ibility, parts fit, parts unavailability or just=C2=A0 my general ignorance=
and/or incompetence.=C2=A0 This evening I finished mounting the right side=
front hub with all new parts.=C2=A0 I thought I had done a nice job.=C2=A0=
No lateral play in the hub.=C2=A0 Turns easily without binding.=C2=A0 The =
correct amount of shims after much trial and error.=C2=A0 Disc brake conver=
sion was mounted and braided stainless steel flex brake lines hooked up at =
both ends.=C2=A0 I have yet to run the brake lines.=C2=A0 Maybe next.=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 This rant is about the brand new Dayton wire wheels.=C2=A0 I mounted=
the wire wheels which have temporary used tires on them so I can move the =
car when it is down off the dollies.=C2=A0 After mounting the wheel I gave =
the two eared knockoff several pretty good whacks.=C2=A0 Now the moment of =
truth.=C2=A0 I grabbed the wheel at 9 and 3 o'clock position and pulled=
straight back and forth.=C2=A0 Yay! No play, but when I rocked the wheel i=
t moved slightly.=C2=A0 I thought it was the hub, but looking closely you c=
an see the wire wheel hub rocking back and forth in the knockoff!=C2=A0 Wha=
t!?!=C2=A0 How hard are you supposed to hit those knockoffs?</span><span la=
ng=3D"EN-CA"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Ro=
man",serif">Mike MacLean</span><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">=C2=A0<u></u><u></=
u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div></div>___=
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