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Exactly right! Leak anywhere results on no brakes!
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From: Spridgets <spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Rick Fisk v=
ia Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2019 10:14:50 AM
To: Allen Hefner
Cc: spridgets@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Mighty vac bleeding
Linda,
The PDWA valve is only installed on cars with dual brake circuit master cyl=
inders. These masters have separate output lines - one for the front brake=
s and one for the rear brakes. Your master cylinder is the older single ou=
tput type. One line from the master supplies pressure to both the front an=
d rear brakes. You don't have a PDWA valve, so ignore all this PDWA stuff.=
:-)
Rick
Sent from my keyboard
On Jun 30, 2019, at 9:30 AM, Allen Hefner via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.te=
Linda, if you have the PDWA (not a proportioning valve, my bad) it is locat=
ed near the master cylinder. It looks like a squat "H" with brake pipes and=
an electrical wire. You can look at the Moss catalog online for a drawing.
The PDWA was originally installed on the 1275 and 1500 Spridgets. It may ha=
ve been added to your car when the disks were installed, but you really hav=
e to look to see if it is there.
Allen Hefner
Norristown, PA
Sun City Center, FL
Current:
2016 Subaru outback somewhere
2006 Chebbie
Former:
1963 Sunbeam Alpine Series III
1967 Triumph TR4A IRS
1964 VW Type I
1967 VW Type II
1967 Rover 2000TC
1977 MG Midget (Sniff!)
On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 8:29 AM Linda Grunthaner via Spridgets <spridgets@a=
Rick what does this mean "PDWA valve is plumbed on all Spridgets" ?
Being Pinky was upgraded to disc probably from a 1967 Spridget does
this mean, "if my rear brakes go the front still work" so is there a
valve somewhere in my system that shuts off the rear? If so where is
that valve located, what does it look like?
I have a "Pressure Differential Warning Assembly" not a
"proportioning valve" .......yes?
Linda
62 California Sprite "Pinky"
ets@autox.team.net>> wrote:
> Also, the way the PDWA valve is plumbed on all Spridgets you get either b=
oth
> fronts or both rears when one circuit fails. No diagonal splits on a
> Spridget.
>
> Sent from my keyboard
>
>> On Jun 29, 2019, at 5:24 PM, CosmicMag1380 via Spridgets
>>
>> Respectfully disagreeing with the terminology... There is a 5 port unio=
n
>> in the system that has a shuttle valve in it to close off a side of the
>> system in the event of a catastrophic failure. They came about with the
>> advent of disc brakes on the spridgets. The later models had a warning
>> light sensor built in to them. The early ones didn't have the light
>> fitting. They are often referred to as a proportioning valve as they hav=
e
>> equal pressure on all ports until a sudden fluid leak and a good stomp o=
n
>> the brake pedal. If the pressure is low on one side of the system, the
>> shuttle valve is supposed to close off the bad side leaving some braking
>> capacity because of the other side. One front wheel and the opposite sid=
e
>> rear wheel makes up the pairs.
>>
>> Just my 2 cents if it means anything to anyone,
>> Kent
>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 4:10 PM Rick Fisk via Spridgets
>>> Just a small nit guys, but a couple of you have mentioned the brake
>>> "proportioning valve". No proportioning valve on a Spridget. The devi=
ce
>>> you're refering to is the PDWA - Pressure Differential Warning Assembl=
y.
>>> It simply turns on a light to tell you if the pressure is different
>>> between your front and rear brakes, no proportioning.
>>>
>>> Linda's car does not have one, so ignore all of this Linda. :-)
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jun 29, 2019, at 3:05 PM, crusaderchuck55--- via Spridgets
>>>>
>>>> Ok it works just fine...mine does.
>>>> Everyone is seemingly skipping one valuable step.
>>>> Loosen the bleeder screw, thrn close it just enough that it's closed b=
ut
>>>> not tight! Attach the bleeder hose and pump up the mighty vav to as
>>>> much vacume the gauge will read. Now ever so slightly crack the bleed=
er
>>>> screw and watch the gauge on the mighty vav! Just before it reads ZE=
RO
>>>> shut the bleeder screw.
>>>> Repete until you have a steady stream coming into the bleeder cup.
>>>> Close the bleeder after the last pull of fluid and then snug it closed
>>>> and if ya got one, put the rubber protective cap onto the bleeder nipp=
le
>>>> to keep dirt out of it and move to the next wheel.
>>>> When bleeding a car without a proportioning valve start with the wheel
>>>> FARTHEST from the master cylinder and work your way forward . if it h=
as
>>>> a proportionong valve the same rule applies but you only do front as 1
>>>> circuit and then the front as 1 circuit and if the proportioning valve
>>>> goes off center...recenter it.
>>>> Then be certain the master cylinder is at a proper level install the
>>>> master cylinder cap....
>>>> Yer done!
>>>> Chuck
>>>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 30, 2019 10:14:50 AM<br>
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<div>Linda,
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<div>The PDWA valve is only installed on cars with dual brake circuit maste=
r cylinders. These masters have separate output lines - one for the f=
ront brakes and one for the rear brakes. Your master cylinder is the =
older single output type. One line from the
master supplies pressure to both the front and rear brakes. You don'=
t have a PDWA valve, so ignore all this PDWA stuff. :-)</div>
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<div>Rick<br>
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<div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my keyboard</div>
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On Jun 30, 2019, at 9:30 AM, Allen Hefner via Spridgets <<a href=3D"mail=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Linda, if you have the PDWA (not a proportioning valve, my=
bad) it is located near the master cylinder. It looks like a squat "H=
" with brake pipes and an electrical wire. You can look at the Moss ca=
talog online for a drawing.
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<div>The PDWA was originally installed on the 1275 and 1500 Spridgets. It m=
ay have been added to your car when the disks were installed, but you reall=
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<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 8:29 AM Linda=
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left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Rick what does this mean "PDWA valve is plumbed on all Spridgets"=
?<br>
Being Pinky was upgraded to disc probably from a 1967 Spridget does<br>
this mean, "if my rear brakes go the front still work" so is ther=
e a<br>
valve somewhere in my system that shuts off the rear? If so where is<br>
that valve located, what does it look like?<br>
<br>
I have a "Pressure Differential Warning Assembly" not a<br>
"proportioning valve" .......yes?<br>
Linda<br>
<br>
62 California Sprite "Pinky"<br>
<br>
On 6/29/19, Rick Fisk via Spridgets <<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.t=
eam.net" target=3D"_blank">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> Also, the way the PDWA valve is plumbed on all Spridgets you get eithe=
r both<br>
> fronts or both rears when one circuit fails. No diagonal splits =
on a<br>
> Spridget.<br>
><br>
> Sent from my keyboard<br>
><br>
>> On Jun 29, 2019, at 5:24 PM, CosmicMag1380 via Spridgets<br>
>> <<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">=
spridgets@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Respectfully disagreeing with the terminology... There is a =
5 port union<br>
>> in the system that has a shuttle valve in it to close off a side o=
f the<br>
>> system in the event of a catastrophic failure. They came about wit=
h the<br>
>> advent of disc brakes on the spridgets. The later models had a war=
ning<br>
>> light sensor built in to them. The early ones didn't have the ligh=
t<br>
>> fitting. They are often referred to as a proportioning valve as th=
ey have<br>
>> equal pressure on all ports until a sudden fluid leak and a good s=
tomp on<br>
>> the brake pedal. If the pressure is low on one side of the system,=
the<br>
>> shuttle valve is supposed to close off the bad side leaving some b=
raking<br>
>> capacity because of the other side. One front wheel and the opposi=
te side<br>
>> rear wheel makes up the pairs.<br>
>><br>
>> Just my 2 cents if it means anything to anyone,<br>
>> Kent<br>
>><br>
>>> On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 4:10 PM Rick Fisk via Spridgets<br>
>>> <<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_bla=
nk">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> Just a small nit guys, but a couple of you have mentione=
d the brake<br>
>>> "proportioning valve". No proportioning valve =
on a Spridget. The device<br>
>>> you're refering to is the PDWA - Pressure Differential Warning=
Assembly.<br>
>>> It simply turns on a light to tell you if the pressure i=
s different<br>
>>> between your front and rear brakes, no proportioning.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Linda's car does not have one, so ignore all of this Linda.&nb=
sp; :-)<br>
>>><br>
>>> Rick<br>
>>><br>
>>> Sent from my iPhone<br>
>>><br>
>>>> On Jun 29, 2019, at 3:05 PM, crusaderchuck55--- via Spridg=
ets<br>
>>>> <<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; target=3D"=
_blank">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Ok it works just fine...mine does.<br>
>>>> Everyone is seemingly skipping one valuable step.<br>
>>>> Loosen the bleeder screw, thrn close it just enough that i=
t's closed but<br>
>>>> not tight! Attach the bleeder hose and pump up=
the mighty vav to as<br>
>>>> much vacume the gauge will read. Now ever so slightl=
y crack the bleeder<br>
>>>> screw and watch the gauge on the mighty vav! J=
ust before it reads ZERO<br>
>>>> shut the bleeder screw.<br>
>>>> Repete until you have a steady stream coming into the blee=
der cup.<br>
>>>> Close the bleeder after the last pull of fluid and then sn=
ug it closed<br>
>>>> and if ya got one, put the rubber protective cap onto the =
bleeder nipple<br>
>>>> to keep dirt out of it and move to the next wheel.<br>
>>>> When bleeding a car without a proportioning valve start wi=
th the wheel<br>
>>>> FARTHEST from the master cylinder and work your way forwar=
d . if it has<br>
>>>> a proportionong valve the same rule applies but you only d=
o front as 1<br>
>>>> circuit and then the front as 1 circuit and if the proport=
ioning valve<br>
>>>> goes off center...recenter it.<br>
>>>> Then be certain the master cylinder is at a proper level i=
nstall the<br>
>>>> master cylinder cap....<br>
>>>> Yer done!<br>
>>>> Chuck<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Sent from my LG Mobile<br>
>>>> ------------------------<br>
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