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Re: Now VTR Membership was Re: Crash pad replacement

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Subject: Re: Now VTR Membership was Re: Crash pad replacement
From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist@cox.net>
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:12:53 -0700
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist@cox.net>
To: "Paul Willoughby" <paulwillou@socal.rr.com>; <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: Now VTR Membership was Re: Crash pad replacement


> Paul,
> The information is available for free. It is available from several 
> knowledable people on this and other lists.  What is NOT free is the cost 
> of hosting a website and keeping it maintained as well as coordinating an 
> organization as diverse and wide spread as VTR.
>
> I have no comment on hiding data from non members because people who need 
> it and refuse to join VTR can still find it if they are creative and 
> persistant.
>
> But I believe that we all should join VTR in order to strengthen the 
> organization and the worthwhile things that the club represents.  The cost 
> is very minor compared to what we all spend on our cars every year.
>
> There is strength in numbers and with the number of cars that are being 
> crushed, wrecked and rendered into piles of brown powder every year, it is 
> even more important that we remaining owners band together to strengthen 
> our common interests.
>
> Joe C.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul Willoughby" <paulwillou@socal.rr.com>
> To: <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 9:52 AM
> Subject: Re: Now VTR Membership was Re: Crash pad replacement
>
>
>> I'm not a VTR member.  I won't join them now.  Holding the tech tips 
>> ransom to
>> force membership isn't right.  Besides, those tech tips just aren't that
>> valuable.  I can get better information right here, tailor suited to my
>> specific situation.  I do contribute monetarily to this list and to my 
>> local
>> Triumph club.
>>
>> VTR is a fine organization and a valuable member of the Triumph 
>> community.
>> They seem to put on great shows (unfortunately, mostly East Coast).  But 
>> I'm a
>> firm believer that information on the internet should be free.  Offhand, 
>> I
>> can't think of another Triumph internet resource that charges for tech 
>> tips.
>> Even Moss Motors provides their tech tips for free.
>>
>> Sorry VTR, but you're off base on this one.
>>
>> Paul Willoughby
>> Torrance, California
>> 1964 TR4
>> 1956 TR3
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>  > If this type of information is a valuable resource to us then we 
>> should
>>  > support VTR for providing it to us via our Membership in their
>> organization.
>>
>>  If, on the other hand, we feel that VTR has been entirely too 
>> high-handed
>> in
>>  limiting access to information that was DONATED to them with the 
>> expectation
>> it
>>  would be made available to ALL Triumph enthusiasts, we should "vote with
>> our
>>  feet" and look elsewhere.


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