Adrian
What about those Wankel/rotary engines allowed? That to means allowing RX7s
(any generation)?
Dot tires with an R rating can get pretty sticky....
Judy {:>}
At 12:39 PM 9/16/99 -0400, Thompson, Adrian (A.L.) wrote:
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>I've just looked at both the ST rules (including STR and STU) posted on
>http://www.moutons.org/sccasolo/street_touring_rules.
><http://www.moutons.org/sccasolo/street_touring_rules>
>and the STU proposal posted by Dennis Grant on
>http://www.wincom.net/trog/stu/rules.html.
><http://www.wincom.net/trog/stu/rules.html> With Dennis's version they
>have got rid of the 'sports car based' exclusion. The line just reads 'All
>four-plus passenger, front engine, production-based sedans/coupes'. By my
>reading that opens it up to the MGB GT, Triumph GT6, Porsche 924/944/968 etc
>etc.
>
>Also, Dennis's rules have a capacity limit of 4.0 Liters for pushrod engines
>so the Rover/Buick V8 is back in. Another thing for the those sick and
>twisted people (I like you all!)wanting to build super Beetles think about
>this. The Porsche 914/916 was sold in the rest of the world as a VW NOT as
>a Porsche. Therefore the 916 that used the six cyl 911 engine is
>technically a VW engine as well. QED bung a 911 motor in a Beetle and away
>you go.
>
>Also, people keep coming back and saying that you can't put down the power
>with DOT tires. I have to disagree. How much power do you think Ren
>Marinus has in his RX7 that just won Nationals (again) well over 300bhp. Or
>what about Daniel Popp in his 72 Vette, forget the power there think Torque
>450lb'ft minimum. And before you start saying 'but BSP is slower than ASP'
>Look at the times. Daniel's total time 113.490, Ren's total time113.596.
>Hhhmmmm, makes you think doesn't it.
>
>One more extreme point. The proposed rules still just say any suspension
>that fit's the stock mounting points. Well I've pointed out before that you
>can fit an IRS to a Mustang but those Beetle nut's have got me thinking.
>From memory, the whole Bug front suspension hold on with f bolts, hence it's
>easy to bolt on to the front of a F Vee. Well just build a subframe for a
>full double wishbone that picks up on those same four points.
>
>So, now we have a VW bug with 911 engine (turbo if you like) trick front
>suspension, bolt on carbon kevlar panels that weigh nothing. I think you
>can even get rid of the heater if you like. I know the early bug's sold in
>Europe (1950's) even the heater was optional, so more weight gone. I can't
>wait for someone to beat this creation :)
>
>My point is, I like the idea of an STU class but the rules have way way too
>many holes in them. My suggestions:
>
>1. Any engine in the same family, from the same manufacture, with the same
>number of cylinders and capacity within 20% of the original. This let's in
>VTEC Civics but keeps out 911 engined Beetles.
>
>2. Suspension, Components free but must use original pick ups and be of
>same type as fitted to a vehicle based on same floor pan. This let's true
>bolt ins (GT6 into Vitesse) or Fabricated control arms (Sure they're out
>there for the Civic's etc) but prevents double wishbone Beetles etc.
>
>3. Keep the front engine rule and specify a minimum weight per cc of engine
>volume and drop the four seat requirement. This would allow in Miata's and
>CRX's but so what. There's not a lot between an SP CRX or Civic so no
>problems and with the exception of Guy Ankeny in 97 I haven't seen too many
>successful SP Miata's. The minimum weight would keep out the super light
>Elan's etc.
>
>I'm sure there's more but my lunch break is only so long.
>
>Adrian Thomspon
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