Diesel is a technology overlooked in the US, because the solution has
been dictated by the government. Europe is about 50% diesel. I have a
friend that averages 50 mpg in his Volkswagen Golf. My big X5 BMW gets
29 mpg at 70 mph. With that massive torque and 6 speed transmission it
easily pulls my 18 foot enclosed car trailer with about 14 mpg. I
previously had a Ford Expedition with a 5.4L gas engine. It didn't tow
as well, averaging about 9 mpg. Diesels still produce green house
gases, but to a lesser extent than gas engines. Otherwise, with today.s
technology it is very clean. Unfortunately, it has a bad reputation with
people that remember all the noise and soot from city buses.
This discussion is starting to get political, so I'm dropping out from
now on.
Larry
On 4/1/2013 3:00 PM, Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com wrote:
> You are correct. It takes coal fired power plants, gas fire power plants,
> hydro, solar and wind to power these batteries! Then they end up in a
> landfill as it doesn't pay to recycle them. But they are "green" vehicles and
> oh so manly. I am waiting for a hydrogen vehicle. Zero emissions and
> power....maybe not in my lifetime but.
>
> I almost got hit walking in a parking lot a few months back. The guy was
> backing up in his Prius and since it makes no noise, he just about clipped me.
> Had I not heard the sand under the tires, and yelled, well.....
>
> Ty
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
> (Please excuse any errors or typos)
>
> On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Randall <tr3driver@ca.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> ---- RACER BUD <budscars@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are no good
>>> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the
>>> car?
>> They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for his
> 1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect
> means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k). (Yes, I realize a Prius has a
> relatively small battery, it's just a data point).
>> When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets
> scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing.
>> At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in
> Canada. Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it
> doesn't seem to have happened yet. At the moment, lithium is so cheap that it
> doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain
> more acceptance.
>> Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal combustion.
> There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so
> on. But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim.
> They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the
> pollution comes out somewhere else. NFI, YMMV, etc.
>> Randall
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