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Re: [Fot] Six cylinder cams

To: Warren Aplin <wgaplin@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Six cylinder cams
From: <rkramer3@austin.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:15:33 +0000
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Some birds are known to eat berries that have fermented and act crazy drunk. I 
think I know too much about birds......

Bob Kramer
rkramer3@austin.rr.com

---- Warren Aplin <wgaplin@gmail.com> wrote: 
> That was very well done.  I don't typically respond to these.  I am all of
> the above at different times, although I am also a lurker too, (already
> did the car show thing for years, but love to look rather than display at
> this point in my life although I have 4 cars in a fun show tomorrow with
> my wife, daughter and her fiancé,  so a great family outing and vintage
> racing in two weeks at PBIR again with my daughter as co-driver) so what
> kind of bird is that?
> 
> Warren Aplin
> 62 TR4 race car #66 used to be # 75 in FOT
> Cars and Coffee sponsor in South Florida
> Jupiter, Florida
> 561-748-8187
> wgaplin@gmail.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
> rkramer3@austin.rr.com
> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 11:28 AM
> To: Bill Tobin; McKearn McKearn
> Cc: FOT list
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Six cylinder cams
> 
> I've been to a lot of car show, Cars and Coffee and of course autocross
> and racing events. I've seen a lot of different types of car guys like to
> think of cars guys like types of birds. If you place appearance above
> performance you are a peacock. You strut around and eventually stop to
> show off your plumage, and where you park at a car show is of high
> importance to you. Heck, if you can't find a good spot, where people can
> admire your work you might just blow off the show. Sure you know how to
> primer, paint, wax and polish to a glass like finish, but you are all for
> show. I like pretty things, I do, so you have my admiration. Some car guys
> like to do road trips with other cars guys. They pick a leader and follow
> him. These are geese. Racers on the other hand are more functional, more
> stealthy. Appearance matters because it is a functional part of building a
> better beast, not the point of the exercise. We don't fly in formation, we
> strike out and swoop, like a hawk. We need the perfo  rmance to do what we
> do. If it doesn't look just right we put a decal over it to cover up the
> blemish.
> 
> If you enjoy building engines and trannies and have a need to know how it
> works and to be assured that it was built properly, and don't know why
> those funny reciprocating buffers try to whip themselves out of your
> control you are some other type of bird. Maybe a hawk, maybe a
> hummingbird, but from your self description you aren't a peacock. May I
> suggest vintage racing.................
> 
> Bob Kramer
> rkramer3@austin.rr.com
> 
> ---- McKearn McKearn <mckearn2@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi.
> >   I love  to build cars and I enjoy building engines and transmissions
> > as well as all the other stuff that goes in. Body work???? now that's
> > another story. I know I'll spend way more money in the long run if I
> > build my own car but then again it will be my car...wait...am I trying
> > to talk myself into building a race car?????
> >  I already have a lot of what I need to get started so I guess I'm
> > just going to go for it. So what if it takes me a few years. My last
> > GT6 build took about ten and then I was really never  done tweaking.
> >  Quick before I really get going on this someone stop me........
> >                                                               P.J.
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 8:04 AM, Bill Tobin
> > <william.tobin31@verizon.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Race ready, yeah, heard that one before!
> > > If you buy a used race car, take the purchase price and add that
> > > much more to it and you may be ready for the track!
> > > The good news is that it will be set up to your liking. And your
> specs.
> > > No regrets on my part; the Redhead is still fun to drive and I'm
> > > having a blast. May not be first but it was built to last.
> > > Cheers, Bill
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > *From:* Scott Janzen <sjanzen@me.com>
> > > *To:* McKearn McKearn <mckearn2@gmail.com>
> > > *Cc:* FOT list <fot@autox.team.net>
> > > *Sent:* Friday, October 30, 2015 8:32 AM
> > > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Six cylinder cams
> > >
> > > Race cars, especially GT6s, aren't built /set up to be competitive
> > > in one shot, unless you are Chuck Gee.  No rush. That said, as much
> > > fun as it may be to build one, spending a little more up front to
> > > buy one that has been raced will probably save money in the long
> > > run.  All that hardware - dual braking system, competition shocks,
> > > fire system, roll cage, braided lines, heavy duty stub axles, spare
> > > wheels, fuel cell, etc, etc, etc is often heavily discounted in the
> price of a used race car.
> > > You'll still need to build a good engine and do countless other
> > > things (race ready, ha!) but you can probably save money over the long
> haul.
> > > Who out there has a car for P.J.?
> > >
> > > Sent from my mobile device
> > >
> > > On Oct 29, 2015, at 10:44 PM, McKearn McKearn <mckearn2@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > O.K. I get it.  Race car or street car. One or  the other.  I guess
> > > I'll have to build a race car and use it for track days.  I just
> > > can't make the commitment to the time and money  required for racing
> at this time.
> > >   With that in mind, I would appreciate some help.  Could I get a
> > > really low interest 30 year loan for about 50 Gs or so?  Or just
> > > some honest opinions from time to time is good too.
> > >                          P.J.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Jason Ostrowski
> > > <jason@multivintage.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Better yet, take it the full step beyond... and forget about track
> > >> days and street GT6's all together.
> > >> It's way more useful as a racer.
> > >> The real thrill of the Triumph world is Race cars.
> > >> All that Track day talk is building a car for 1/2 its duty both ways.
> > >> Spend all that time and money, drive on the street and have some
> > >> big SUV destroy it at a stop light.
> > >> When it come to GT6's, there are race cars and there are street
> > >> cars and never the two should be the same.
> > >> Race.
> > >> Full on Race.
> > >> It will be the best and worst decision you will ever make all at
> > >> the same time.
> > >> The fun and friendship that you get from racing the car will
> > >> outweigh any argument for the "track day concept".
> > >> If you do either "properly" you will likely spend the same amount
> > >> of money.
> > >> But you will have way more fun racing.
> > >> And you will be actually racing the thing.
> > >> there is nothing better.
> > >> We will give you all the help you need.
> > >>
> > >> Jason Ostrowski
> > >> Friendly Ghost Racing
> > >> 1969 Triumph GT6+ Racecars
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:05 PM, McKearn McKearn
> > >> <mckearn2@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi All.
> > >>>   I'm starting on a new GT6 Motor and I have some questions.
> > >>> First are
> > >>> GT6 and TR6 cams really interchangeable?  Also what compression
> > >>> ratio do you all feel is reasonable.  This car will seldom if ever
> see the street
> > >>> but will mostly be for track days?  Thanks.   P.J.
> > >>>
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