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I routinely cut the spin-on filters open for inspection, street and race c=
ars.There's a purpose-made cutter available nowadays, it's just a big tubin=
g cutter.My procedure is to cut off the end, remove the element, strip the =
hardware off of it and cut the ends off with a sharp blade. Then stretch ou=
t the element dirty (outside) up on a couple layers of paper towels and wei=
ght the ends so that it lays flat.Leave it overnight so that the oil soaks =
out of it and you'll be able to see any trash very clearly in the folds.You=
'll also be amazed at how little filter material is in some filters eg fram=
...NAPA Gold/WIX seem to be the best.Glen
=20
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-----Original Message-----
From: robert bownes <bownes@web9.com>
To: Rocky Entriken <rocky@spitfire4.com>
Cc: britcars <britcars@bellsouth.net>; fubog1 <fubog1@aol.com>; vfracing <v=
fracing@aol.com>; FOT <fot@autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2018 4:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first?
After cleaning out a filter that survived a bad bearing in my 1147 Spit (Ba=
ck in the Day) and re-using it (It was after the filter), the next engine l=
asted a whole 22 minutes, about 3 sessions short of a race weekend, before =
the very same failure occurred. I've never re-used a cooler since.=20
But I do have a stack of 3 or 4 for anyone who wants one. :)
I miss that car. But not the grenades that it kept under the hood.
On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 4:20 PM Rocky Entriken via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> =
wrote:
Any bad stuff in the oil lines is gonna originate in the engine, so make th=
e filter the first stop (and usually the shortest line). Then the cooler. A=
nd what nobody else mentioned, a check valve after the cooler before it goe=
s back to the engine (keeps oil from flowing backwards into cooler, say on =
start-up.) My Accusump is plumbed into a Tee that=E2=80=99s just before the=
engine inlet =E2=80=93 what goes to the Accusump is filtered and cooled oi=
l, and what comes from the Accusump goes only to the engine because the che=
ck valve prevents it going the other way.=C2=A0And yeah, coolers are cheap.=
If I=E2=80=99m concerned I=E2=80=99ll flush out the lines (self-service ca=
r wash does the trick, use high-pressure rinse), but buy a new cooler.=C2=
=A0--RockyFrom: barry rosenberg via Fot Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018 7:27=
AMTo: fubog1 ; Phil Gott Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Coo=
ler or Oil filter first?=C2=A0Yes, filter first. But what I have run into o=
n some customers cars is the way the cooler lines run. Most coolers are mou=
nted with the fittings on top. This does not permit the cooler to drain and=
when you change your oil, the cooler retains the old oil. You have to remo=
ve the cooler and at least one line to drain the old oil out. Try to set yo=
ur cooler a little high with the fitting on the bottom so it can self drain=
. Of course, this means you must pre-lube the engine before startup. I also=
set my cooler behind the radiator and not in front. NASCAR experts say tha=
t the closer the oil and water temp are to each other, the better. =C2=A0=
=C2=A0Barry=C2=A0On Monday, December 3, 2018, 8:02:15 AM EST, Phil Gott via=
Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote: =C2=A0=C2=A0Filter first. Keeps the crud o=
ut of the cooker. Coolers are hard to clean. Good thought By Glen to replac=
e the cooker on engine refreshing.=C2=A0 With a cooler in the system, also =
a good idea to prelube the engine with an Accusump upon cold start. Oil coo=
ler lines are long and may drain upon standing a while.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 3, 2018, at 7:02 AM, fubog1 via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
I typically run an inspectable (Oberg) out of the engine before the coole=
r, and a second filter after the cooler. It may be overkill but it eliminat=
es the possibility of oil cooler trash getting in the engine. I also replac=
e the cooler @ every engine freshen-up. Glen
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 -----Original Message-----
From: Bud Rolofson via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> -To: FOT <fot@autox.team.ne=
t>
Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2018 2:51 am
Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first?
Listerati,
=C2=A0 For those of you running a remote oil cooler and remote oil filter =
do you run the hose coming OUT of the engine into the cooler first or the f=
ilter first? Just wanted to see how and why (if there=E2=80=99s a reason) m=
ost run their lines.
=C2=A0 Thanks
Bud
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<font color=3D'black' size=3D'2' face=3D'Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif'>
<div> <font size=3D"2">I routinely cut the spin-on filters open for inspect=
ion, street and race cars.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2">There's a purpose-made cutter available nowadays, it'=
s just a big tubing cutter.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2">My procedure is to cut off the end, remove the elemen=
t, strip the hardware off of it and cut the ends off with a sharp blade. Th=
en stretch out the element dirty (outside) up on a couple layers of paper t=
owels and weight the ends so that it lays flat.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2">Leave it overnight so that the oil soaks out of it an=
d you'll be able to see any trash very clearly in the folds.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2">You'll also be amazed at how little filter material i=
s in some filters eg fram...</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2">NAPA Gold/WIX seem to be the best.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2">Glen</font><br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----=
Original Message-----<br>
From: robert bownes <bownes@web9.com><br>
To: Rocky Entriken <rocky@spitfire4.com><br>
Cc: britcars <britcars@bellsouth.net>; fubog1 <fubog1@aol.com>;=
vfracing <vfracing@aol.com>; FOT <fot@autox.team.net><br>
Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2018 4:45 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first?<br>
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<div>After cleaning out a filter that survived a bad bearing in my 1147 Spi=
t (Back in the Day) and re-using it (It was after the filter), the next eng=
ine lasted a whole 22 minutes, about 3 sessions short of a race weekend, be=
fore the very same failure occurred. I've never re-used a cooler since. <br=
clear=3D"none"></div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>But I do have a stack of 3 or 4 for anyone who wants one. :)</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>I miss that car. But not the grenades that it kept under the hood.</di=
v>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 4:20 PM Rocky Entriken via Fot <=
<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.t=
eam.net" target=3D"_blank" removedlink__a65a388b-2dca-49e8-98fa-f1ee910d864=
e__href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br =
clear=3D"none"></div>
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order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri';COLOR:#000000;">
<div>Any bad stuff in the oil lines is gonna originate in the engine, so ma=
ke=20
the filter the first stop (and usually the shortest line). Then the cooler.=
And=20
what nobody else mentioned, a check valve after the cooler before it goes b=
ack=20
to the engine (keeps oil from flowing backwards into cooler, say on start-u=
p.)=20
My Accusump is plumbed into a Tee that=E2=80=99s just before the engine inl=
et =E2=80=93 what=20
goes to the Accusump is filtered and cooled oil, and what comes from the=20
Accusump goes only to the engine because the check valve prevents it going =
the=20
other way.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>And yeah, coolers are cheap. If I=E2=80=99m concerned I=E2=80=99ll flu=
sh out the lines=20
(self-service car wash does the trick, use high-pressure rinse), but buy a =
new=20
cooler.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>--Rocky</div>
<div>
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<div style=3D"FONT:10pt tahoma;">
<div style=3D"BACKGROUND:#f5f5f5;">
<div><b>From:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" title=3D"fot@autox.tea=
m.net">barry=20
rosenberg via Fot</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 3, 2018 7:27 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" title=3D"fubog1@aol.com"=
>fubog1</a> ; <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" title=3D"vfracing@aol.com"=
>Phil Gott</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" title=3D"fot@autox.team.=
net">fot@autox.team.net</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first?</div>
</div>
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<div> </div>
</div>
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<div>Yes, filter first. But what I have run into on some customers cars is =
the=20
way the cooler lines run. Most coolers are mounted with the fittings on top=
.=20
This does not permit the cooler to drain and when you change your oil, the=
=20
cooler retains the old oil. You have to remove the cooler and at least one =
line=20
to drain the old oil out. Try to set your cooler a little high with the fit=
ting=20
on the bottom so it can self drain. Of course, this means you must pre-lube=
the=20
engine before startup. I also set my cooler behind the radiator and not in=
=20
front. NASCAR experts say that the closer the oil and water temp are to eac=
h=20
other, the better. </div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Barry</div>
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<<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@aut=
ox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" removedlink__a65a388b-2dca-49e8-98fa-f1ee910=
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<div>Filter first. Keeps the crud out of the cooker. Coolers are hard to cl=
ean.=20
Good thought By Glen to replace the cooker on engine refreshing. =20
<div>With a cooler in the system, also a good idea to prelube the engine wi=
th an=20
Accusump upon cold start. Oil cooler lines are long and may drain upon stan=
ding=20
a while.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">
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618700AppleMailSignature">Sent from my=20
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">On Dec 3, 2018, at 7:02 AM, fubog1 via =
Fot <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote=
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or=3D"black"></font>
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<div><font size=3D"2">I typically run an inspectable (Oberg) out of the eng=
ine=20
before the cooler, and a second filter after the cooler.</font></div>
=20
<div><font size=3D"2">It may be overkill but it eliminates the possibility =
of oil=20
cooler trash getting in the engine.</font></div>
=20
<div><font size=3D"2">I also replace the cooler @ every engine=20
freshen-up.</font></div>
=20
<div><font size=3D"2">Glen<br clear=3D"none"></font></div>
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2:51 am<br clear=3D"none">Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first?<=
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=20
<div dir=3D"ltr">For those of you running a remote oil cooler and remote oi=
l=20
filter do you run the hose coming OUT of the engine into the cooler first=
or=20
the filter first? Just wanted to see how and why (if there=E2=80=99s a re=
ason) most=20
run their lines.<br clear=3D"none"></div>
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