Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question

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 To physically test the action of the clutch, you can set them up on a flyw=
heel sitting on a chassis scale pad, in a press, and measure the load as yo=
u pump it up.When it gets to the release point the pressure will be max and=
 then drop off quickly as the plate overcenters.(You can slip a feeler gaug=
e in there to tell the exact release point.)
The thickness of the disc directly affects the geometry that the PP has to =
work within by design.If the disc is too thin, there will be weak clamping =
force and it'll slip, and it will take a "long" pedal to release.If too thi=
ck, the release will be too high and it will probably slip under load.Gener=
ally if I use a thicker disc, I shim the difference between it and a stock =
disc, and check it in the press if any question.Glen
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From: Barr, Scott via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
To: Phil Gott <vfracing@aol.com>; van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be <van.mulder=
s.marcel@telenet.be>; fot@autox.team.net <fot@autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, May 24, 2019 8:56 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question

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rious about Glen=E2=80=99s comment on shimming the pressure plate.=C2=A0 I=
=E2=80=99ve done that in this situation, using small thin hardened washers.=
=C2=A0 Seemed to work fine, but that was a seat of the pants gotta-load-thi=
s-thing-tomorrow-and-go-racing sort of fix.=C2=A0 Anyone think that solutio=
n is a disaster in the making?  =C2=A0 Scott (B.)  =C2=A0 From: Fot <fot-bo=
unces@autox.team.net>On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 7:32 AM
To: van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be
Cc: fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question  =C2=A0 Marcel, Brian; I agree w=
ith Marcel=E2=80=99s last email. If the fingers point inward, your clutch d=
isc is too thick, indicating that the disc and Pressure Plate are incompati=
ble. Best solution is to get a thinner disc or a compatible PP. Hope this c=
lears up any confusion. Phil Sent from my iPhone=20
On May 24, 2019, at 7:25 AM, van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be wrote:=20
 =C2=A0 So we don't agree; maybe, if the fingers end up flat after tighteni=
ng, it still can be normal, but if they are pointing inwards a bit, it is n=
ot correct. You can made a decision by measuring how much the fingers are m=
oving inward when tightening the bolts : if it is more than 3 mm it is not =
correct and the feel in the clutch pedal won't be normal eather. Marcel. Va=
n:"fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
Aan: "Brian Schirano" <bschirano@yahoo.com>
Cc: "fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
Verzonden: Vrijdag 24 mei 2019 12:19:17
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question  =C2=A0 Brian; All perfectly n=
ormal. Just be sure that the throwout bearing is compatible with the =E2=80=
=9Cfingers.=E2=80=9D If the fingers are straight the throwout bearing face =
should be rounded. If the fingers have a crook in them (bent) then the thro=
wout bearing face should be flat. Enjoy your new clutch! Phil Gott Sent fro=
m my iPhone=20
On May 23, 2019, at 10:23 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> w=
rote:=20
Hey Friends  =C2=A0 just installed a new to me (rebuilt) laycock PP and a n=
ew clutch disc. As I tightened the PP the fingers ended up pretty much flat=
 across, no longer peaked. So when the hydraulics is engaged the throw out =
will press the clutch fingers deflecting inward (invert from when on the be=
nch). Makes me uncomfortable / doesn't seem right.=C2=A0  =C2=A0 Normal / C=
orrect?=C2=A0  =C2=A0 am hoping to put the trans back in tomorrow afternoon=
, comments please  =C2=A0 Thanks Brian  =C2=A0 26A GT6+ Brian Schirano
585-305-0349 Cell=C2=A0
BSchirano@yahoo.com=20

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<div> <font size=3D"2">To physically test the action of the clutch, you can=
 set them up on a flywheel sitting on a chassis scale pad, in a press, and =
measure the load as you pump it up.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">When it gets to the release point the pressure will b=
e max and then drop off quickly as the plate overcenters.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">(You can slip a feeler gauge in there to tell the exa=
ct release point.)<br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">The thickness of the disc directly affects the geomet=
ry that the PP has to work within by design.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">If the disc is too thin, there will be weak clamping =
force and it'll slip, and it will take a "long" pedal to release.</font></d=
iv>

<div><font size=3D"2">If too thick, the release will be too high and it wil=
l probably slip under load.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">Generally if I use a thicker disc, I shim the differe=
nce between it and a stock disc, and check it in the press if any question.=
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">Glen</font><br>
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Original Message-----<br>
From: Barr, Scott via Fot &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt;<br>
To: Phil Gott &lt;vfracing@aol.com&gt;; van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be &lt;v=
an.mulders.marcel@telenet.be&gt;; fot@autox.team.net &lt;fot@autox.team.net=
&gt;<br>
Sent: Fri, May 24, 2019 8:56 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question<br>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">I=
=E2=80=99m curious about Glen=E2=80=99s comment on shimming the pressure pl=
ate.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve done that in this situation, using small thin harde=
ned washers.&nbsp; Seemed to work
 fine, but that was a seat of the pants gotta-load-this-thing-tomorrow-and-=
go-racing sort of fix.&nbsp; Anyone think that solution is a disaster in th=
e making?</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> &n=
bsp;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Sco=
tt (B.)</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> &n=
bsp;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;">=
From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;"> Fot &lt;fot-bounces@auto=
x.team.net&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Phil Gott via Fot<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 24, 2019 7:32 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Cc:</b> fot &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal">Marcel, Brian;</div>
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<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal">I agree with Marcel=E2=80=99s last em=
ail. If the fingers point inward, your clutch disc is too thick, indicating=
 that the disc and Pressure Plate are incompatible.</div>
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</div>


<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal">Best solution is to get a thinner dis=
c or a compatible PP.</div>
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</div>


<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal">Hope this clears up any confusion.</d=
iv>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;">Phil<=
/div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone</div>
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lear=3D"none">
On May 24, 2019, at 7:25 AM, <a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" =
ymailto=3D"mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"=
mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be";>van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be</a> wro=
te:</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> &n=
bsp;</span></div>
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</div>


<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">So =
we don't agree; maybe, if the fingers end up flat after tightening, it stil=
l can be normal, but if they are pointing inwards a bit, it is not correct.=
 You can
 made a decision by measuring how much the fingers are moving inward when t=
ightening the bolts : if it is more than 3 mm it is not correct and the fee=
l in the clutch pedal won't be normal eather.</span></div>
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</div>


<div>

<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Mar=
cel.</span></div>
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"center"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">
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ter">
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">=
Van:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">"fot" &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener n=
oreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_=
blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br cle=
ar=3D"none">
<b>Aan: </b>"Brian Schirano" &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"re=
ct" ymailto=3D"mailto:bschirano@yahoo.com"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto=
:bschirano@yahoo.com">bschirano@yahoo.com</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Cc: </b>"fot" &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=
=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.t=
eam.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Verzonden: </b>Vrijdag 24 mei 2019 12:19:17<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Onderwerp: </b>Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> &n=
bsp;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Bri=
an;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">All=
 perfectly normal.</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Jus=
t be sure that the throwout bearing is compatible with the =E2=80=9Cfingers=
.=E2=80=9D If the fingers are straight the throwout bearing face should be =
rounded. If the fingers
 have a crook in them (bent) then the throwout bearing face should be flat.=
</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Enj=
oy your new clutch!</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Phil Gott</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Sen=
t from my iPhone</span></div>
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 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"><br clear=3D"none">
On May 23, 2019, at 10:23 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener=
 noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D=
"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrot=
e:</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">Hey Frie=
nds</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;"> &nbsp;<=
/span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">just ins=
talled a new to me (rebuilt) laycock PP and a new clutch disc. As I tighten=
ed the PP the fingers ended up pretty much flat across, no longer peaked. S=
o when the hydraulics is engaged the throw out will
 press the clutch fingers deflecting inward (invert from when on the bench)=
. Makes me uncomfortable / doesn't seem right.&nbsp;</span></div>
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</div>


<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;"> &nbsp;<=
/span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">Normal /=
 Correct?&nbsp;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;"> &nbsp;<=
/span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">am hopin=
g to put the trans back in tomorrow afternoon, comments please</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;"> &nbsp;<=
/span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">Thanks</=
span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">Brian</s=
pan></div>
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/span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">26A GT6+=
</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv9840522145MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">Brian Sc=
hirano<br clear=3D"none">
585-305-0349 Cell&nbsp;<br clear=3D"none">
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ahoo.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:BSchirano@yahoo.com";>BSchirano@y=
ahoo.com</a></span></div>
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