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Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question

To: John Styduhar <johnstydo@gmail.com>, "Barr, Scott" <sbarr@McCarty-Law.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question
From: Brian Schirano via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 16:02:07 +0000 (UTC)
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not at the desperation point yet, but getting there! Laundry list is gettin=
g longer instead of shorter!
26A GT6+, 28 TR6Brian Schirano
585-305-0349 Cell=C2=A0
BSchirano@yahoo.com=20

    On Friday, May 24, 2019, 11:43:07 AM EDT, Barr, Scott via Fot <fot@auto=
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I=E2=80=99m trying to think of a time when I was at this stage of putting t=
he car back together and it HADN=E2=80=99T reached a =E2=80=9Cmoment of des=
peration=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 :-)
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With my Spit, I raced a pretty heavy schedule.=C2=A0 Running with both VSCD=
A and Midwestern Council, I could do 10-15 races a year back in the day.=C2=
=A0 So I was almost CONSTANTLY in thrash mode between April and November.=
=C2=A0 Which might explain some of my more interesting mechanical failures.
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Scott (B.)=C2=A0
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From: John Styduhar <johnstydo@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 10:24 AM
To: Barr, Scott <sbarr@McCarty-Law.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question
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If I was in a moment of desperation and that is all I had, I would consider=
 using spacers under the PP, but I think it is better to get the correct pa=
rts.=C2=A0
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On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 8:56 AM Barr, Scott via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wr=
ote:
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I=E2=80=99m curious about Glen=E2=80=99s comment on shimming the pressure p=
late.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve done that in this situation, using small thin hard=
ened washers.=C2=A0 Seemed to work fine, but that was a seat of the pants g=
otta-load-this-thing-tomorrow-and-go-racing sort of fix.=C2=A0 Anyone think=
 that solution is a disaster in the making?
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=C2=A0
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Scott (B.)
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=C2=A0
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From: Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net>On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 7:32 AM
To: van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be
Cc: fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question
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Marcel, Brian;
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I agree with Marcel=E2=80=99s last email. If the fingers point inward, your=
 clutch disc is too thick, indicating that the disc and Pressure Plate are =
incompatible.
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Best solution is to get a thinner disc or a compatible PP.
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Hope this clears up any confusion.
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Phil
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Sent from my iPhone
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On May 24, 2019, at 7:25 AM, van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be wrote:
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So we don't agree; maybe, if the fingers end up flat after tightening, it s=
till can be normal, but if they are pointing inwards a bit, it is not corre=
ct. You can made a decision by measuring how much the fingers are moving in=
ward when tightening the bolts : if it is more than 3 mm it is not correct =
and the feel in the clutch pedal won't be normal eather.
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Marcel.
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Van:"fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
Aan: "Brian Schirano" <bschirano@yahoo.com>
Cc: "fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
Verzonden: Vrijdag 24 mei 2019 12:19:17
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question
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Brian;
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All perfectly normal.
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Just be sure that the throwout bearing is compatible with the =E2=80=9Cfing=
ers.=E2=80=9D If the fingers are straight the throwout bearing face should =
be rounded. If the fingers have a crook in them (bent) then the throwout be=
aring face should be flat.
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Enjoy your new clutch!
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Phil Gott
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Sent from my iPhone
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On May 23, 2019, at 10:23 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> w=
rote:
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Hey Friends
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just installed a new to me (rebuilt) laycock PP and a new clutch disc. As I=
 tightened the PP the fingers ended up pretty much flat across, no longer p=
eaked. So when the hydraulics is engaged the throw out will press the clutc=
h fingers deflecting inward (invert from when on the bench). Makes me uncom=
fortable / doesn't seem right.=C2=A0
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=C2=A0
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Normal / Correct?=C2=A0
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=C2=A0
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am hoping to put the trans back in tomorrow afternoon, comments please
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Thanks
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Brian
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26A GT6+
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Brian Schirano
585-305-0349 Cell=C2=A0
BSchirano@yahoo.com
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<html><head></head><body><div class=3D"ydpf106f8aayahoo-style-wrap" style=
=3D"font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><d=
iv><div>not at the desperation point yet, but getting there! Laundry list i=
s getting longer instead of shorter!</div><div><br></div><div class=3D"ydpf=
106f8aasignature"><div>26A GT6+, 28 TR6</div>Brian Schirano<br>585-305-0349=
 Cell&nbsp;<br>BSchirano@yahoo.com</div></div>
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                    On Friday, May 24, 2019, 11:43:07 AM EDT, Barr, Scott v=
ia Fot &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:
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<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">I=E2=80=99m trying to think of a=
 time when I was at this stage of putting the car back together and it HADN=
=E2=80=99T reached a =E2=80=9Cmoment of desperation=E2=80=9D&nbsp; :-)</spa=
n></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">With my Spit, I raced a pretty h=
eavy schedule.&nbsp; Running with both VSCDA and Midwestern Council, I coul=
d do 10-15 races a year back in the day.&nbsp; So I was
 almost CONSTANTLY in thrash mode between April and November.&nbsp; Which m=
ight explain some of my more interesting mechanical failures.</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">Scott (B.)&nbsp;
</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11=
.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> John Styduhar &lt;johnstydo@gmail.com&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 24, 2019 10:24 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Barr, Scott &lt;sbarr@McCarty-Law.com&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal">If I was in a moment of desp=
eration and that is all I had, I would consider using spacers under the PP,=
 but I think it is better to get the correct parts.&nbsp;</p>=20
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</div>
<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
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<div>
<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal">On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 8:56=
 AM Barr, Scott via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"no=
follow" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:</p>=20
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<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">I=E2=80=99m curious about Glen=
=E2=80=99s comment on shimming the pressure plate.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve done =
that in this situation,
 using small thin hardened washers.&nbsp; Seemed to work fine, but that was=
 a seat of the pants gotta-load-this-thing-tomorrow-and-go-racing sort of f=
ix.&nbsp; Anyone think that solution is a disaster in the making?</span></p=
>=20
<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">&nbsp;</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">Scott (B.)</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">&nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in;">
<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11=
.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.=
team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>=
&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Phil Gott via Fot<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 24, 2019 7:32 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be"; rel=3D"nofollow=
" target=3D"_blank">van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofollow" t=
arget=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal">Marcel, Brian;</p>=20
<div>
<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal">I agree with Marcel=E2=80=99=
s last email. If the fingers point inward, your clutch disc is too thick, i=
ndicating that the disc and Pressure Plate are incompatible.</p>=20
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal">Best solution is to get a th=
inner disc or a compatible PP.</p>=20
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal">Hope this clears up any conf=
usion.</p>=20
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0p=
t;">Phil</p>=20
<div id=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198gmail-m_882514057486589756AppleMailSigna=
ture">
<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone</p>=20
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0p=
t;"><br>
On May 24, 2019, at 7:25 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.b=
e" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">
van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be</a> wrote:</p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<div>
<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">So we don't agree; maybe, if the f=
ingers end up flat after tightening, it still can be normal, but if
 they are pointing inwards a bit, it is not correct. You can made a decisio=
n by measuring how much the fingers are moving inward when tightening the b=
olts : if it is more than 3 mm it is not correct and the feel in the clutch=
 pedal won't be normal eather.</span></p>=20
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">Marcel.</span></p>=20
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<div class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"=
text-align:center;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;=
color:black;">
<hr size=3D"3" width=3D"100%" align=3D"center">
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<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">Van:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:bla=
ck;">"fot" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofollow" targe=
t=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Aan: </b>"Brian Schirano" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bschirano@yahoo.com"; rel=
=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">bschirano@yahoo.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>"fot" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofollow"=
 target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Verzonden: </b>Vrijdag 24 mei 2019 12:19:17<br>
<b>Onderwerp: </b>Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></p>=20
<div>
<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">Brian;</span></p>=20
<div>
<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">All perfectly normal.</span></p>=
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<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">Just be sure that the throwout bea=
ring is compatible with the =E2=80=9Cfingers.=E2=80=9D If the fingers are s=
traight
 the throwout bearing face should be rounded. If the fingers have a crook i=
n them (bent) then the throwout bearing face should be flat.</span></p>=20
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">Enjoy your new clutch!</span></p>=
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<div>
<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0p=
t;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">Ph=
il Gott</span></p>=20
<div id=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198gmail-m_882514057486589756AppleMailSigna=
ture">
<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">Sent from my iPhone</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0p=
t;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"><b=
r>
On May 23, 2019, at 10:23 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
fot@autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</=
a>&gt; wrote:</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;"=
>Hey Friends</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;"=
>&nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;"=
>just installed a new to me (rebuilt) laycock PP and a new clutch disc. As =
I tightened the PP the fingers ended up pretty much flat across, no longer =
peaked.
 So when the hydraulics is engaged the throw out will press the clutch fing=
ers deflecting inward (invert from when on the bench). Makes me uncomfortab=
le / doesn't seem right.&nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;"=
>&nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;"=
>Normal / Correct?&nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;"=
>&nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;"=
>am hoping to put the trans back in tomorrow afternoon, comments please</sp=
an></p>=20
</div>
<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;"=
>&nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;"=
>Thanks</span></p>=20
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<div>
<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;"=
>Brian</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;"=
>&nbsp;</span></p>=20
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;"=
>26A GT6+</span></p>=20
</div>
<p class=3D"ydpd364bc78yiv9543672198MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;"=
>Brian Schirano<br>
585-305-0349 Cell&nbsp;<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:BSchirano@yahoo.com"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">B=
Schirano@yahoo.com</a></span></p>=20
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