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My BN6 has no O-ring, and the BMC workshop manual doesn't show one.=20
On Jan 26, 2015, at 3:19 PM, John Rowe wrote:
> I am thinking that would BMC engineering in those days be so =
sophisticated that they would be worried about .004=94 to .010=94. =
Judging from what I have seen over the years, I doubt it. IIRC, I used a =
grey silicone as a sealer- works ok for me.
> John Rowe
> Qld Australia
> BN1 BT7
> From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of =
Michael Salter
> Sent: Tuesday, 27 January 2015 7:46 AM
> To: Steve B. Gerow
> Cc: healeys@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Rear axle gasket question
> =20
> Well you may be over thinking it but you are at least keeping us =
amused :-)
> BTW the BN1, BN2 and 100S didn't have the "O" ring seal so I think in =
their cases the gasket was the seal..
> Pooffff goes that theory..
> Michael S
> BN1 #174
> =20
> =20
> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Steve B. Gerow =
<steveg@abrazosdata.com> wrote:
> The whole idea of the gasket-as-shim has a certain logic to it - =
except the o-ring does the actual sealing, correct?
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> Is this the idea: when we tighten the lug nuts, we compress the gasket =
from, say .014" to .010". At .010, the axle center makes contact with =
the spacer ring and bearing, coming to a stop. There is then .010" =
between the carrier and axle flange. The gasket takes up the slack - is =
the compressed gasket strong enough to in effect be a shim between these =
two parts?
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> Michael - maybe when extra-tightening of the lug nuts, the axle flange =
is also bending slightly to take up this gap.
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> Betcha I'm over-thinking this! :-)
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> --
> Steve Gerow
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> > -------Original Message-------
> > From: Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
> > To: Steve B. Gerow <steveg@abrazosdata.com>
> > Cc: warthodson@aol.com <warthodson@aol.com>, =
simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk, healeys@autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Rear axle gasket question
> > Sent: Jan 26 '15 11:28
> >
> > One other observation on this subject.
> >
> >
> > This is, I believe, the only place on a Healey where 'conical" seat =
nuts
> > are used.
> > It has been my experience that conical seat nuts always require =
re-torquing
> > after a little use. Just like the lug nuts on your every day =
driver if
> > you torque them up, then drive the car for a bit you will find that =
the
> > nuts will take up to half a turn just to restore them to the =
original
> > torque.
> >
> >
> > That said however I do have to agree with Chris regarding =
aggressive use.
> > On AHX12 we found it necessary to re-torque those nuts after every =
day of
> > competition and they would always go on an additional flat or so.. =
I always
> > wondered where that extra tightening room came from because after a =
week of
> > Targa Newfoundland we would have tightened the nuts at least one =
full turn
> > ... that's 0.055".
> >
> >
> > I "forgot" to mention to co-driver Michael O that a likely cause =
was
> > stretching of the studs..:-).
> >
> >
> > Michael S
> > [LINK: http://www.acmefluid.com.au/larry/ahx12.html]
> > http://www.acmefluid.com.au/larry/ahx12.html
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Steve B. Gerow <[LINK:
> > mailto:steveg@abrazosdata.com] steveg@abrazosdata.com> wrote:
> > Some observations:
> > New Moss gasket - .014"
> > Old gasket originally coated with Hylomar, as removed from axle - =
.010"
> >
> > .004" =3D copier paper
> >
> > My axle is buttoned up with a new gasket and the rear rotor/caliper =
back
> > in place or I'd try to do a science project here.
> >
> > For a gasket thickness, perhaps if one were to bolt the assembly =
together
> > without gasket and measure the gap with shims, then add .003" to =
that.
> >
> > The new bearing, assembled with heat and cold per Tom Monaco's
> > instructions, is a tight fit in the carrier and axle - IIRC the =
bearing
> > depends on this more than the compression of the spacer, gasket, =
etc.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Steve Gerow
> > Altadena, CA
> > BN6
> >
> >
> > > -------Original Message-------
> > > From: [LINK: mailto:warthodson@aol.com] warthodson@aol.com
> > > To: [LINK: mailto:simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk]
> > simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk, [LINK: mailto:steveg@abrazosdata.com]
> > steveg@abrazosdata.com, [LINK: mailto:healeys@autox.team.net]
> > healeys@autox.team.net
> > > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Rear axle gasket question
> > > Sent: Jan 26 '15 08:41
> > >
> > > I have not tried it but I doubt it. On the three axles I have =
actual
> > > experience with the gasket needed to be Approx. 0.004" thick so =
that
> > the
> > > spacer met the specified tolerances in the workshop manual. The
> > gaskets I
> > > purchased were all approx. 0.010" thick. That would be a lot of
> > squish. You
> > > would have to squish it without the bearing spacer in place. =
Then
> > remove
> > > the axle & measure how much the spacer stood proud of the =
gasket. Then
> > > reassemble everything, if it met spec. It seemed easier to just =
make a
> > > gasket of the proper thickness.
> > >
> > > Gary Hodson
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Simon Lachlan <[LINK: mailto:simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk]
> > simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk>
> > > Subject: RE: [Healeys] Rear axle gasket question
> > >
> > >
> > > If you soaked the too big gaskets in, say, WD40, wouldn=92t they
> > compress
> > > down to a proper size as you tightened up?
> > >
> > > Just a thought..............
> > >
> > > Simon
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> > If you can't fix it with a hammer, you've got an electrical =
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<html><head><base href=3D"x-msg://108/"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space; "><div>My BN6 has no O-ring, and the BMC workshop =
manual doesn't show =
one. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On Jan 26, =
2015, at 3:19 PM, John Rowe wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; =
font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
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lang=3D"EN-AU" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div class=3D"WordSection1" =
style=3D"page: WordSection1; "><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I am =
thinking that would BMC engineering in those days be so sophisticated =
that they would be worried about .004=94 to .010=94. Judging from what I =
have seen over the years, I doubt it. IIRC, I used a grey silicone as a =
sealer- works ok for me.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); ">John Rowe<o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Qld =
Australia<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">BN1 =
BT7<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"border-right-style: none; =
border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: =
initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; =
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Roman', serif; "><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Healeys =
[mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Michael =
Salter<br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, 27 January 2015 =
7:46 AM<br><b>To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Steve B. =
Gerow<br><b>Cc:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline; =
">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Healeys] Rear axle =
gasket question<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-family:=
'Comic Sans MS'; ">Well you may be over thinking it but you are at =
least keeping us amused :-)<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; ">BTW the =
BN1, BN2 and 100S didn't have the "O" ring seal so I think in their =
cases the gasket was the seal..<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; ">Pooffff =
goes that theory..<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; ">Michael =
S<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-family:=
'Comic Sans MS'; ">BN1 #174<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div =
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margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; =
"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top:=
0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at =
4:36 PM, Steve B. Gerow <<a href=3D"mailto:steveg@abrazosdata.com"; =
target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; =
">steveg@abrazosdata.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; ">The whole idea of the gasket-as-shim has a certain =
logic to it - except the o-ring does the actual sealing, =
correct?<br><br>Is this the idea: when we tighten the lug nuts, we =
compress the gasket from, say .014" to .010". At .010, the axle center =
makes contact with the spacer ring and bearing, coming to a stop. There =
is then .010" between the carrier and axle flange. The gasket takes up =
the slack - is the compressed gasket strong enough to in effect be a =
shim between these two parts?<br><br>Michael - maybe when =
extra-tightening of the lug nuts, the axle flange is also bending =
slightly to take up this gap.<br><br>Betcha I'm over-thinking this! =
:-)<br><br><br><br>--<br>Steve Gerow<br><br><br><br>> =
-------Original Message-------<br>> From: Michael Salter <<a =
href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline; =
">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>><br>> To: Steve B. Gerow =
<<a href=3D"mailto:steveg@abrazosdata.com"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline; =
">steveg@abrazosdata.com</a>><br>> Cc:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:warthodson@aol.com"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline; ">warthodson@aol.com</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a =
href=3D"mailto:warthodson@aol.com"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline; ">warthodson@aol.com</a>>,<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline; ">simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk</a>,<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline; ">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>> =
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Rear axle gasket question<br>> Sent: Jan =
26 '15 11:28<br>><br>> One other observation on this =
subject.<br>><br>><br>> This is, I believe, the only =
place on a Healey where 'conical" seat nuts<br>> are =
used.<br>> It has been my experience that conical seat nuts =
always require re-torquing<br>> after a little use. Just =
like the lug nuts on your every day driver if<br>> you torque =
them up, then drive the car for a bit you will find that =
the<br>> nuts will take up to half a turn just to restore them =
to the original<br>> torque.<br>><br>><br>> That =
said however I do have to agree with Chris regarding aggressive =
use.<br>> On AHX12 we found it necessary to re-torque those =
nuts after every day of<br>> competition and they would always =
go on an additional flat or so.. I always<br>> wondered where =
that extra tightening room came from because after a week =
of<br>> Targa Newfoundland we would have tightened the nuts at =
least one full turn<br>> ... that's =
0.055".<br>><br>><br>> I "forgot" to mention to co-driver =
Michael O that a likely cause was<br>> stretching of the =
studs..:-).<br>><br>><br>> Michael S<br>> =
[LINK:<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"http://www.acmefluid.com.au/larry/ahx12.html"; target=3D"_blank" =
style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; =
">http://www.acmefluid.com.au/larry/ahx12.html</a>]<br>> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"http://www.acmefluid.com.au/larry/ahx12.html"; target=3D"_blank" =
style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; =
">http://www.acmefluid.com.au/larry/ahx12.html</a><br>><br>><br>>=
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Steve B. Gerow =
<[LINK:<br>> mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:steveg@abrazosdata.com"; =
style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; =
">steveg@abrazosdata.com</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:steveg@abrazosdata.com"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline; ">steveg@abrazosdata.com</a>> =
wrote:<br>> Some observations:<br>> New Moss gasket - =
.014"<br>> Old gasket originally coated with Hylomar, as =
removed from axle - .010"<br>><br>> .004" =3D copier =
paper<br>><br>> My axle is buttoned up with a new gasket and =
the rear rotor/caliper back<br>> in place or I'd try to do a =
science project here.<br>><br>> For a gasket thickness, =
perhaps if one were to bolt the assembly together<br>> without =
gasket and measure the gap with shims, then add .003" to =
that.<br>><br>> The new bearing, assembled with heat and =
cold per Tom Monaco's<br>> instructions, is a tight fit in the =
carrier and axle - IIRC the bearing<br>> depends on this more =
than the compression of the spacer, gasket, =
etc.<br>><br>><br>> --<br>> Steve =
Gerow<br>> Altadena, CA<br>> =
BN6<br>><br>><br>> > -------Original =
Message-------<br>> > From: [LINK: mailto:<a =
href=3D"mailto:warthodson@aol.com"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline; ">warthodson@aol.com</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:warthodson@aol.com"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline; ">warthodson@aol.com</a><br>> =
> To: [LINK: mailto:<a =
href=3D"mailto:simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline; =
">simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk</a>]<br>> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline; ">simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk</a>, [LINK: =
mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:steveg@abrazosdata.com"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline; =
">steveg@abrazosdata.com</a>]<br>> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:steveg@abrazosdata.com"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline; ">steveg@abrazosdata.com</a>, [LINK: =
mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline; =
">healeys@autox.team.net</a>]<br>> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline; ">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>> =
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Rear axle gasket =
question<br>> > Sent: Jan 26 '15 08:41<br>> =
><br>> > I have not tried it but I doubt it. On the =
three axles I have actual<br>> > experience with the =
gasket needed to be Approx. 0.004" thick so that<br>> =
the<br>> > spacer met the specified tolerances in the =
workshop manual. The<br>> gaskets I<br>> > =
purchased were all approx. 0.010" thick. That would be a lot =
of<br>> squish. You<br>> > would have to =
squish it without the bearing spacer in place. Then<br>> =
remove<br>> > the axle & measure how much the =
spacer stood proud of the gasket. Then<br>> > =
reassemble everything, if it met spec. It seemed easier to just make =
a<br>> > gasket of the proper thickness.<br>> =
><br>> > Gary Hodson<br>> =
><br>> ><br>> > From: Simon Lachlan =
<[LINK: mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk"; =
style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; =
">simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk</a>]<br>> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline; =
">simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk</a>><br>> > Subject: =
RE: [Healeys] Rear axle gasket question<br>> ><br>> =
><br>> > If you soaked the too big gaskets in, say, =
WD40, wouldn=92t they<br>> compress<br>> > =
down to a proper size as you tightened up?<br>> =
><br>> > Just a thought..............<br>> =
><br>> > Simon<br>> =
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