Re: [Healeys] Water Pump

[JOHN BAHE SR <johnbahesr@gmail.com>]

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Michael,

When I purchased my 1966 BJ8 it came with an extra water pump that I was
told was an original pump that had been rebuilt,  I assume your rebuild
kits are for an original pump but I am not sure how to tell an original
1966 BJ8 pump.  The extra pump I have is cast iron but does not have the
opening that shows the copper wire bearing retainer.  The only number on
the pump is by the outlet and is 170836.  Any help identifying an original
would be appreciated.  Thanks for your time !!

John

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Fred,
> The Massey-Ferguson engine is a derivation of the TR4 wet sleeve 4
> cylinder; or perhaps the other way around :-).
> From memory the seal is the same as the later BJ7/8 pump but as I recall
> although the bearing shaft is the same length and diameter and the OD of
> the outer is the same the overall length of the outer is shorter and the
> races are closer together. I have a box of them somewhere back in Canada.
> I think that is the bearing that has been used in the currently available
> repro pump..
> I would imagine that it could be used made to work in  an original BJ7/8
> pump but it is not designed for that application and the loads on the
> bearings would be substantially increased as a result of the races being
> closer together.
>
> Michael S
>
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 1:13 AM, Fred Wescoe <fredwescoe@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Years ago, a water pump builder rebuilt my BJ7 water pump and said the
>> internals were the same as a Massey Ferguson tractor.
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 12:37 AM, WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink@msn.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I understand that most of the Brits of the era shared some parts with
>>> tractors, Triumph especially. For that reason it's possible to cross
>>> reference water pump repair kits in some instances and source them from
>>> Tractor Supply stores. It would be interesting to know if this is true for
>>> the Austin 4s and 6s.
>>>
>>> Bill Lawrence
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> From: jmsdarch@sbcglobal.net
>>> To: healeys@autox.team.net
>>> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 09:18:24 -0800
>>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Water Pump
>>>
>>> Some parts, like the impeller seal, are hard to get if you can find them
>>> at all.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of 
>>> *Adventure
>>> Limousine
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2015 6:16 AM
>>> *To:* Magnus Karlsson
>>> *Cc:* Healey Lista
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Water Pump
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> With all of this talk about water pump quality, has anyone considered
>>> rebuilding the original pump with new bearings and seals?  Just throwing
>>> some gas on this fire.
>>>
>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Michael,</div><div><br></div><div>When I purchased my=
 1966 BJ8 it came with an extra=C2=A0water pump that I was told was an orig=
inal pump that had been rebuilt,=C2=A0 I assume your rebuild kits are for a=
n original pump but I am not sure how to tell an original 1966 BJ8 pump.=C2=
=A0 The extra pump I have is cast iron but does not have the opening that s=
hows the copper wire bearing retainer.=C2=A0 The only number on the pump is=
 by the outlet and is 170836.=C2=A0 Any help identifying an original would =
be appreciated.=C2=A0 Thanks for your time !!</div><div><br></div><div>John=
</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Th=
u, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Michael Salter <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">michaelsalter@gmail.com</=
a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><di=
v class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:small">Hi Fred,<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-=
family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">The Massey-Ferguson engine=
 is a derivation of the TR4 wet sleeve 4 cylinder; or perhaps the other way=
 around :-).<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:com=
ic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">From memory the seal is the same as =
the later BJ7/8 pump but as I recall although the bearing shaft is the same=
 length and diameter and the OD of the outer is the same the overall length=
 of the outer is shorter and the races are closer together. I have a box of=
 them somewhere back in Canada.<br>I think that is the bearing that has bee=
n used in the currently available repro pump..<br></div><div class=3D"gmail=
_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">I =
would imagine that it could be used made to work in=C2=A0 an original BJ7/8=
 pump but it is not designed for that application and the loads on the bear=
ings would be substantially increased as a result of the races being closer=
 together.<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:c=
omic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Michael S<br></div></div><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div class=3D"h5">On =
Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 1:13 AM, Fred Wescoe <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:fredwescoe@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">fredwescoe@gmail.com</a>&gt;<=
/span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);b=
order-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div><div class=3D"h5"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><div>Years ago, a water pump builder rebuilt my BJ7 water pump a=
nd said the internals were the same as a Massey Ferguson tractor.<br><br></=
div>Fred<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
><div><div>On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 12:37 AM, WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <span dir=3D=
"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ynotink@msn.com"; target=3D"_blank">ynotink@msn.=
com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(20=
4,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div><div>


<div><div dir=3D"ltr">I understand that most of the Brits of the era shared=
 some parts with tractors, Triumph especially. For that reason it&#39;s pos=
sible to cross reference water pump repair kits in some instances and sourc=
e them from Tractor Supply stores. It would be interesting to know if this =
is true for the Austin 4s and 6s.<br><br>Bill Lawrence<br><br><hr>From: <a =
href=3D"mailto:jmsdarch@sbcglobal.net"; target=3D"_blank">jmsdarch@sbcglobal=
.net</a><br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank"=
>healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 09:18:24 -0800<span><b=
r>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Water Pump<br><br></span><div><p><span style=3D"co=
lor:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:11p=
t">Some parts, like the impeller seal, are hard to get if you can find them=
 at all.</span></p><p><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">=C2=A0</span></p><div><div style=
=3D"border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-colo=
r:rgb(225,225,225) currentColor currentColor;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p><b><sp=
an style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">From=
:</span></b><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;font-=
size:11pt"> Healeys [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.ne=
t" target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </=
b>Adventure Limousine<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 2, 2015 6:16 AM<br><b>T=
o:</b> Magnus Karlsson<span><br><b>Cc:</b> Healey Lista<br><b>Subject:</b> =
Re: [Healeys] Water Pump</span></span></p></div></div><p>=C2=A0</p><div><di=
v><p><span style=3D"color:black;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">W=
ith all of this talk about water pump quality, has anyone considered rebuil=
ding the original pump with new bearings and seals?=C2=A0 Just throwing som=
e gas on this fire.</span></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"color:black;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">=C2=A0</span></p></div></div></div><b=
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