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Re: [Healeys] Missing under Load

To: Simon Lachlan <simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Missing under Load
From: Alan Seigrist <healey.nut@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2015 14:32:33 +0800
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The advantage with Pertonix over 123 is the advance curves are retained and
also if your pertronix does fry, keeping points in the boot is easy for a
backup.  I have a 123 in my A90 and I keep a full lucas dizzy with attached
cam driveshaft in the boot, just in case.  Call me strange.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Simon Lachlan <simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk=
>
wrote:

> Or get a 123Ignition distributor.
>
> Simon
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *Bo=
b
> Spidell
> *Sent:* 04 June 2015 06:09
> *To:* healeys@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Missing under Load
>
>
>
> Agree across-the-board.   Had same problem with suppressor wires;
> installed copper stranded wires and no problem in 60K miles or so.
>
>
> re: "Strongly suggested I install points instead of the Petronics."
> Why?  Does he recommend blood-letting and trepanning for headaches?  I kn=
ow
> Jeff is an acknowledged expert, but disagree with the points
> recommendation.  Name a modern manufacturer--they of the 100K mile
> tuneups--that recommends points?  Have (probably) 80K miles on
> Pertronix--with OEM Lucas cap and stranded wires--with no ignition issues
> (save the occasional well-known bad rotor).  If you like changing points
> every 5K miles, fine, but it's not the solution to every ignition problem=
.
>
> You need: OEM Lucas distributor cap (if you can find one), stranded coppe=
r
> wire secondary wires, OEM Lucas suppressor plug caps, good plugs, and a
> quality rotor.
>
> Bob
>
> On 6/3/2015 6:33 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote:
>
> If you are running suppressed modern wires into your standard Lucas cap,
> you can have huge problems, as the graphite type materials they use in
> these don't like connecting to the screw connector in the Lucas cap .  Yo=
u
> need to use metal core wires, such as bumble bee wire.
>
>
>
> Also did you check distributor shaft wobble?  If your dizzy bushes are
> worn, and you have excessive wobble, you could also be having similar
> problems.
>
>
>
> Lastly, check internal wires/insulating washers in the dizzy make sure it
> is all kosher.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 9:24 AM, R. Price Lindsay <050.rpl@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Took the BJ8 out today.  Changed the plug wire to #6 (there was a visible
> spark last night).  The car struggled big time  Had to change rotors ever=
y
> 3 miles in order to get the car home.  Driving along and all of a sudden
> backfire, black smoke, nothing.  Changed the rotor (it was noticeably hot=
)
> and got another 2 or 3 miles out of it.  Looked tonight in the dark and t=
he
> visible spark from number 6 plug was not there.  Talked to Jeff with
> Advanced Distributors and he suggested it was plug wires.  Strongly
> suggested I install points instead of the Petronics.  At his suggestion, =
I
> checked the ohm reading on the plug wires and they checked out OK.  Still
> wondering if it could be bad gas, I did add a product called =E2=80=9CHea=
t.=E2=80=9D
> Supposed to absorb any water that may be in the gas tank.  Not much help,
> so far.
>
> I=E2=80=99m waiting for the plug wires and distributor cap from Moss Moto=
rs to
> show up to install them.  Hope that helps but not really convinced it=E2=
=80=99s the
> solution.
>
> Do you guys have any words of wisdom for me?
>
> Price Lindsay
> 67 BJ8
>
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">The advantage with Pertonix over 123 is the advance curves=
 are retained and also if your pertronix does fry, keeping points in the bo=
ot is easy for a backup.=C2=A0 I have a 123 in my A90 and I keep a full luc=
as dizzy with attached cam driveshaft in the boot, just in case.=C2=A0 Call=
 me strange.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
>On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Simon Lachlan <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk"; target=3D"_blank">simon.lachlan@h=
omecall.co.uk</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div =
bgcolor=3D"white" lang=3D"EN-GB" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&=
quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Or get a 123Ignition distributo=
r.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d=
">Simon<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1=
f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border=
-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&=
quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;s=
ans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext"> Healeys [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:healey=
s-bounces@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net<=
/a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob Spidell<br><b>Sent:</b> 04 June 2015 06:09<br>=
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">heal=
eys@autox.team.net</a><span class=3D""><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Mi=
ssing under Load<u></u><u></u></span></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bott=
om:12.0pt">Agree across-the-board.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Had same problem with suppre=
ssor wires; installed copper stranded wires and no problem in 60K miles or =
so.</p><div><div class=3D"h5"><br><br>re: &quot;Strongly suggested I instal=
l points instead of the Petronics.&quot;=C2=A0=C2=A0 Why?=C2=A0 Does he rec=
ommend blood-letting and trepanning for headaches?=C2=A0 I know Jeff is an =
acknowledged expert, but disagree with the points recommendation.=C2=A0 Nam=
e a modern manufacturer--they of the 100K mile tuneups--that recommends poi=
nts?=C2=A0 Have (probably) 80K miles on Pertronix--with OEM Lucas cap and s=
tranded wires--with no ignition issues (save the occasional well-known bad =
rotor).=C2=A0 If you like changing points every 5K miles, fine, but it&#39;=
s not the solution to every ignition problem.<br><br>You need: OEM Lucas di=
stributor cap (if you can find one), stranded copper wire secondary wires, =
OEM Lucas suppressor plug caps, good plugs, and a quality rotor.<br><br>Bob=
<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p><div><div class=3D"h5"><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">On 6/3/2015 6:33 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><=
blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal">If you are running suppressed modern wires into your standard Lu=
cas cap, you can have huge problems, as the graphite type materials they us=
e in these don&#39;t like connecting to the screw connector in the Lucas ca=
p .=C2=A0 You need to use metal core wires, such as bumble bee wire. <u></u=
><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Also did you check distributor shaft wobble?=C2=A0 I=
f your dizzy bushes are worn, and you have excessive wobble, you could also=
 be having similar problems.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Lastly, chec=
k internal wires/insulating washers in the dizzy make sure it is all kosher=
.<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u>=
</u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 9:24 AM, R. Pric=
e Lindsay &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:050.rpl@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">050.rp=
l@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D=
"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Took the BJ8 out today.=C2=A0 Changed the plug wire =
to #6 (there was a visible spark last night).=C2=A0 The car struggled big t=
ime=C2=A0 Had to change rotors every 3 miles in order to get the car home.=
=C2=A0 Driving along and all of a sudden backfire, black smoke, nothing.=C2=
=A0 Changed the rotor (it was noticeably hot) and got another 2 or 3 miles =
out of it.=C2=A0 Looked tonight in the dark and the visible spark from numb=
er 6 plug was not there.=C2=A0 Talked to Jeff with Advanced Distributors an=
d he suggested it was plug wires.=C2=A0 Strongly suggested I install points=
 instead of the Petronics.=C2=A0 At his suggestion, I checked the ohm readi=
ng on the plug wires and they checked out OK.=C2=A0 Still wondering if it c=
ould be bad gas, I did add a product called =E2=80=9CHeat.=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 S=
upposed to absorb any water that may be in the gas tank.=C2=A0 Not much hel=
p, so far.<br><br>I=E2=80=99m waiting for the plug wires and distributor ca=
p from Moss Motors to show up to install them.=C2=A0 Hope that helps but no=
t really convinced it=E2=80=99s the solution.<br><br>Do you guys have any w=
ords of wisdom for me?<br><br>Price Lindsay<br>67 BJ8<u></u><u></u></p></di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div></blockquote><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div></div></div></div><br>_______=
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