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What Michael says is true.
Here's another one that happened with my Elva Courier race car: Once while
getting ready for a race weekend I switched distributor caps from one that
had suppression leads to another that solid core wires. As soon as I
started the engine the electro-magnetic field managed to turn my video cam,
which was hard-wired into the car's 12VDC, off and on randomly.
As an experiment I powered the cam from a separate battery and even though
it was about 10 feet from the car with no wires whatsoever connecting it to
the car the electromagnetic field created by the ignition system still took
control of the cam.
As soon as I switched back to suppression leads the issue went away.
Best--Michael Oritt
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Although I use them myself I do have one caution regarding the use of
> solid core ignition wires.
> As Michael Oritt discovered in Targa Newfoundland they can play havoc wit=
h
> electronics. We encountered problems with our "wired" intercom and
> Terratrip rally meter which immediately vanished when we reverted to
> suppressor leads.
> I have also found that my cell phone will not receive messages or even do
> GPS navigation while the engine is running in #174 which has completely
> original 62 year old Lucas ignition components.
> Michael S
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 7:20 AM, Simon Lachlan <
> simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Not 100% sure what you mean by =E2=80=9Cthe advance curves are retained=
=E2=80=9D. In the
>> 123 you can choose your advance curve.
>>
>> And I=E2=80=99m sure one of the built in choice approximates to the orig=
inal.
>>
>> And yes(!), I too have a complete Lucas dizzie in my boot. The correct
>> rotor arm, decent old Champion plug caps, bumble bee copper wire. Fitted
>> with a Pertronix. Points also carried on longer expeditions. Belt and
>> braces!!
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Alan Seigrist [mailto:healey.nut@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* 04 June 2015 07:33
>> *To:* Simon Lachlan
>> *Cc:* Bob Spidell; Healey list
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Missing under Load
>>
>>
>>
>> The advantage with Pertonix over 123 is the advance curves are retained
>> and also if your pertronix does fry, keeping points in the boot is easy =
for
>> a backup. I have a 123 in my A90 and I keep a full lucas dizzy with
>> attached cam driveshaft in the boot, just in case. Call me strange.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Simon Lachlan <
>> simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Or get a 123Ignition distributor.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *B=
ob
>> Spidell
>> *Sent:* 04 June 2015 06:09
>> *To:* healeys@autox.team.net
>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Missing under Load
>>
>>
>>
>> Agree across-the-board. Had same problem with suppressor wires;
>> installed copper stranded wires and no problem in 60K miles or so.
>>
>>
>>
>> re: "Strongly suggested I install points instead of the Petronics."
>> Why? Does he recommend blood-letting and trepanning for headaches? I k=
now
>> Jeff is an acknowledged expert, but disagree with the points
>> recommendation. Name a modern manufacturer--they of the 100K mile
>> tuneups--that recommends points? Have (probably) 80K miles on
>> Pertronix--with OEM Lucas cap and stranded wires--with no ignition issue=
s
>> (save the occasional well-known bad rotor). If you like changing points
>> every 5K miles, fine, but it's not the solution to every ignition proble=
m.
>>
>> You need: OEM Lucas distributor cap (if you can find one), stranded
>> copper wire secondary wires, OEM Lucas suppressor plug caps, good plugs,
>> and a quality rotor.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> On 6/3/2015 6:33 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote:
>>
>> If you are running suppressed modern wires into your standard Lucas cap,
>> you can have huge problems, as the graphite type materials they use in
>> these don't like connecting to the screw connector in the Lucas cap . Y=
ou
>> need to use metal core wires, such as bumble bee wire.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also did you check distributor shaft wobble? If your dizzy bushes are
>> worn, and you have excessive wobble, you could also be having similar
>> problems.
>>
>>
>>
>> Lastly, check internal wires/insulating washers in the dizzy make sure i=
t
>> is all kosher.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 9:24 AM, R. Price Lindsay <050.rpl@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Took the BJ8 out today. Changed the plug wire to #6 (there was a visibl=
e
>> spark last night). The car struggled big time Had to change rotors eve=
ry
>> 3 miles in order to get the car home. Driving along and all of a sudden
>> backfire, black smoke, nothing. Changed the rotor (it was noticeably ho=
t)
>> and got another 2 or 3 miles out of it. Looked tonight in the dark and =
the
>> visible spark from number 6 plug was not there. Talked to Jeff with
>> Advanced Distributors and he suggested it was plug wires. Strongly
>> suggested I install points instead of the Petronics. At his suggestion,=
I
>> checked the ohm reading on the plug wires and they checked out OK. Stil=
l
>> wondering if it could be bad gas, I did add a product called =E2=80=9CHe=
at.=E2=80=9D
>> Supposed to absorb any water that may be in the gas tank. Not much help=
,
>> so far.
>>
>> I=E2=80=99m waiting for the plug wires and distributor cap from Moss Mot=
ors to
>> show up to install them. Hope that helps but not really convinced it=E2=
=80=99s the
>> solution.
>>
>> Do you guys have any words of wisdom for me?
>>
>> Price Lindsay
>> 67 BJ8
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">What =
Michael says is true.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#333=
3ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Here=
9;s another one that happened with my Elva Courier race car: =C2=A0Once whi=
le getting ready for a race weekend I switched distributor caps from one th=
at had suppression leads to another that =C2=A0solid core wires.=C2=A0 As s=
oon as I started the engine the electro-magnetic field managed to turn my v=
ideo cam, which was hard-wired into the car's 12VDC, off and on randoml=
y. =C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">As an experiment I =
powered the cam from a separate battery and even though it was about 10 fee=
t from the car with no wires whatsoever connecting it to the car the electr=
omagnetic field created by the ignition system still took control of the ca=
m. =C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">As soon as I switch=
ed back to suppression leads the issue went away.</div><div class=3D"gmail_=
default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" sty=
le=3D"color:#3333ff">Best--Michael Oritt</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_ext=
ra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Michael =
Salter <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com"; tar=
get=3D"_blank">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote=
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc soli=
d;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"=
font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Although I use them m=
yself I do have one caution regarding the use of solid core ignition wires.=
<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,s=
ans-serif;font-size:small">As Michael Oritt discovered in Targa Newfoundlan=
d they can play havoc with electronics. We encountered problems with our &q=
uot;wired" intercom and Terratrip rally meter which immediately vanish=
ed when we reverted to suppressor leads.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_defau=
lt" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">I have a=
lso found that my cell phone will not receive messages or even do GPS navig=
ation while the engine is running in #174 which has completely original 62 =
year old Lucas ignition components.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" s=
tyle=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Michael S<br>=
</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span=
class=3D"">On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 7:20 AM, Simon Lachlan <span dir=3D"ltr"=
><<a href=3D"mailto:simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk"; target=3D"_blank">simo=
n.lachlan@homecall.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br></span><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" lang=3D"EN-GB"><div><span=
class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fam=
ily:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Not 100% sure=
what you mean by =E2=80=9Cthe advance curves are retained=E2=80=9D. In the=
123 you can choose your advance curve.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri"=
,"sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> And I=E2=80=99m sure one of the bui=
lt in choice approximates to the original.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri&qu=
ot;,"sans-serif";color:#1f497d">And yes(!), I too have a complete=
Lucas dizzie in my boot. The correct rotor arm, decent old Champion plug c=
aps, bumble bee copper wire. Fitted with a Pertronix. Points also carried o=
n longer expeditions. Belt and braces!!<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri"=
,"sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Simon<u></u><u></u></span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri&=
quot;,"sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>=
</span><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0=
pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><span class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang=
=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang=3D"EN-US"> Alan Seigrist [mailt=
o:<a href=3D"mailto:healey.nut@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">healey.nut@gmai=
l.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> 04 June 2015 07:33<br><b>To:</b> Simon Lachlan<=
br><b>Cc:</b> Bob Spidell; Healey list</span></p></span><div><div><br><div>=
<div class=3D"h5"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Missing under Load<u></u><u=
></u></div></div></div></div><p></p></div><div><div class=3D"h5"><div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
The advantage with Pertonix over 123 is the advance curves are retained and=
also if your pertronix does fry, keeping points in the boot is easy for a =
backup.=C2=A0 I have a 123 in my A90 and I keep a full lucas dizzy with att=
ached cam driveshaft in the boot, just in case.=C2=A0 Call me strange.<u></=
u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Simon Lachlan <<=
a href=3D"mailto:simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk"; target=3D"_blank">simon.lach=
lan@homecall.co.uk</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",&q=
uot;sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Or get a 123Ignition distributor.</span=
><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;f=
ont-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Simon<=
/span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.=
0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">=
=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:so=
lid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif=
"" lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font=
-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang=3D"EN-US"> Healeys =
[mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank"=
>healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob Spidell<br><b>=
Sent:</b> 04 June 2015 06:09<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.=
team.net" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> R=
e: [Healeys] Missing under Load</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mar=
gin-bottom:12.0pt">Agree across-the-board.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Had same problem wit=
h suppressor wires; installed copper stranded wires and no problem in 60K m=
iles or so.<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br>re: &=
quot;Strongly suggested I install points instead of the Petronics."=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 Why?=C2=A0 Does he recommend blood-letting and trepanning for hea=
daches?=C2=A0 I know Jeff is an acknowledged expert, but disagree with the =
points recommendation.=C2=A0 Name a modern manufacturer--they of the 100K m=
ile tuneups--that recommends points?=C2=A0 Have (probably) 80K miles on Per=
tronix--with OEM Lucas cap and stranded wires--with no ignition issues (sav=
e the occasional well-known bad rotor).=C2=A0 If you like changing points e=
very 5K miles, fine, but it's not the solution to every ignition proble=
m.<br><br>You need: OEM Lucas distributor cap (if you can find one), strand=
ed copper wire secondary wires, OEM Lucas suppressor plug caps, good plugs,=
and a quality rotor.<br><br>Bob<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 6/3/2015 6:33 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote:<u></u><u=
></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">If you are running suppressed modern wires into =
your standard Lucas cap, you can have huge problems, as the graphite type m=
aterials they use in these don't like connecting to the screw connector=
in the Lucas cap .=C2=A0 You need to use metal core wires, such as bumble =
bee wire. <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u=
></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Also did you check distributor shaft=
wobble?=C2=A0 If your dizzy bushes are worn, and you have excessive wobble=
, you could also be having similar problems.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p=
class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al">Lastly, check internal wires/insulating washers in the dizzy make sure =
it is all kosher.<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at =
9:24 AM, R. Price Lindsay <<a href=3D"mailto:050.rpl@gmail.com"; target=
=3D"_blank">050.rpl@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Took the BJ8 out today.=C2=A0 Chan=
ged the plug wire to #6 (there was a visible spark last night).=C2=A0 The c=
ar struggled big time=C2=A0 Had to change rotors every 3 miles in order to =
get the car home.=C2=A0 Driving along and all of a sudden backfire, black s=
moke, nothing.=C2=A0 Changed the rotor (it was noticeably hot) and got anot=
her 2 or 3 miles out of it.=C2=A0 Looked tonight in the dark and the visibl=
e spark from number 6 plug was not there.=C2=A0 Talked to Jeff with Advance=
d Distributors and he suggested it was plug wires.=C2=A0 Strongly suggested=
I install points instead of the Petronics.=C2=A0 At his suggestion, I chec=
ked the ohm reading on the plug wires and they checked out OK.=C2=A0 Still =
wondering if it could be bad gas, I did add a product called =E2=80=9CHeat.=
=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 Supposed to absorb any water that may be in the gas tank.=
=C2=A0 Not much help, so far.<br><br>I=E2=80=99m waiting for the plug wires=
and distributor cap from Moss Motors to show up to install them.=C2=A0 Hop=
e that helps but not really convinced it=E2=80=99s the solution.<br><br>Do =
you guys have any words of wisdom for me?<br><br>Price Lindsay<br>67 BJ8<u>=
</u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><=
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