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I too remember that in the film they seemed to be swapping out the =
entire upright assembly.
If you want to watch a good film about that era, see =E2=80=9CShelby =
American=E2=80=9D on Netflix.
I wasn=E2=80=99t at all impressed by =E2=80=9CFord VS Ferrari=E2=80=9D=E2=80=
=A6just another Hollywood treatment full of ridiculous inaccuracies.
They=E2=80=99re still using that old 1950=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9CB=E2=80=9D =
movie technique where two drivers are supposed to be approaching the end =
of the Mulsanne straight at very high speed, and they have time to glare =
at one another!
And apparently all you have to do to overtake is gear down and press the =
accelerator.
I know it=E2=80=99s Hollywood, but sheesh!=20
Stephen, BJ8
> On Dec 18, 2019, at 12:51 AM, WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <YNOTINK@msn.com> =
wrote:
>=20
> In the movie, although there wasn't much technical explanation, it =
appeared that they removed and replaced the entire suspension upright =
assembly with new stub axles, hubs, rotors and calipers in place. I was =
thinking they must have used some kind of quick connect on the brake =
lines with a quick bleeder in place.
>=20
> Bill Lawrence
> BN1 #554
> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Alan =
Seigrist <healey.nut@gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 3:22 AM
> To: jim <ab7vf@yahoo.com>
> Cc: Healey list <healeys@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Ford versus Ferrari
> =20
> as long as you are removing the brake pads and not the calipers, no =
need bleed anything. Honestly with some practice on the BJ8, with a =
full pit crew, you could probably remove and replace the rotors and pads =
in 5 min or less if assemblies were ready.
>=20
>=20
> On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 2:43 AM jim via Healeys =
> Changing "rotors" ..Changing "pads" ...Changing "calipers" ...Not =
equivalent=20
>=20
> the ONLY time I need to open the fluid lines is when I have to change =
"calipers"
>=20
> All the caliper change directions I have seen advise to prefill/pre =
bleed caliper before fitting
>=20
> Heat? ...Use a CO2 extinguisher (you do have a current certified one =
in your shop) ...I do
>=20
> change pads .. c clamp to press piston back into caliper (use a large =
screwdriver/pry bar if you are changing pads/rotors)
> fluid will flow back into reservoir ...If you don't want the crud from =
the caliper back into the system, crack the bleeder valve..
> ditto for changing rotors=20
>=20
> Remove 2 pins to change pads//remove 2 bolts to change rotors/pads
>=20
> suspend "caliper" from ? to avoid kinking/twisting flex line
>=20
> remove/replace rotors ..
>=20
> remove/replace pads ..
>=20
> Piece o' cake (go to Les Schwab and watch how they do it)
>=20
> Jim
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On Friday, December 13, 2019, 5:01:27 PM UTC, Bob Spidell =
>=20
>=20
> I wondered that myself. Maybe some sort of check valve on the brake =
lines and pre-filled calipers, allowing bleeding with just a couple =
quick pumps on the brake pedal?
>=20
> Of course, it was a movie, so maybe it was the figment of some =
screenpaly writer's imagination?
>=20
> Bob
>=20
> On 12/13/2019 7:01 AM, Linwood Rose via Healeys wrote:
>> For those who saw the movie "Ford versus Ferrari." On the Phil =
Remington quick change rotor/caliper assembly, how do they avoid having =
to bleed the brakes?
>> Just curious.
>>=20
>> Lin
>>=20
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">I =
too remember that in the film they seemed to be swapping out the entire =
upright assembly.<div class=3D"">If you want to watch a good film about =
that era, see =E2=80=9CShelby American=E2=80=9D on Netflix.</div><div =
class=3D"">I wasn=E2=80=99t at all impressed by =E2=80=9CFord VS =
Ferrari=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6just another Hollywood treatment full of =
ridiculous inaccuracies.</div><div class=3D"">They=E2=80=99re still =
using that old 1950=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9CB=E2=80=9D movie technique where =
two drivers are supposed to be approaching the end of the Mulsanne =
straight at very high speed, and they have time to glare at one =
another!</div><div class=3D"">And apparently all you have to do to =
overtake is gear down and press the accelerator.</div><div class=3D"">I =
know it=E2=80=99s Hollywood, but sheesh! <br class=3D""><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div>Stephen, BJ8</div><div><br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Dec 18, 2019, at 12:51 AM, =
WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <<a href=3D"mailto:YNOTINK@msn.com"; =
class=3D"">YNOTINK@msn.com</a>> wrote:</div><br =
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Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">In the =
movie, although there wasn't much technical explanation, it appeared =
that they removed and replaced the entire suspension upright assembly =
with new stub axles, hubs, rotors and calipers in place. I was thinking =
they must have used some kind of quick connect on the brake lines with a =
quick bleeder in place.</div><div style=3D"font-style: normal; =
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class=3D"">From:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Healeys <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> on behalf of Alan =
Seigrist <<a href=3D"mailto:healey.nut@gmail.com"; =
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class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, December 18, =
2019 3:22 AM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>jim <<a =
href=3D"mailto:ab7vf@yahoo.com"; class=3D"">ab7vf@yahoo.com</a>><br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Cc:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Healey list <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Healeys] Ford versus =
Ferrari</font><div class=3D""> </div></div><div style=3D"caret-color:=
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
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text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">as long =
as you are removing the brake pads and not the calipers, no need bleed =
anything. Honestly with some practice on the BJ8, with a full pit =
crew, you could probably remove and replace the rotors and pads in 5 min =
or less if assemblies were ready.<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div></div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"x_gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"x_gmail_attr">On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 2:43 AM jim =
via Healeys <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">healeys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"x_gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: =
0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; =
border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"font-family: "Helvetica Neue", =
Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Changing "rotors" =
..Changing "pads" ...Changing "calipers" ...Not equivalent<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D""></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""> the ONLY time I need to open the fluid lines is when I =
have to change "calipers"</div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">All the caliper change =
directions I have seen advise to prefill/pre bleed caliper before =
fitting<br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Heat? ...Use a CO2 =
extinguisher (you do have a current certified one in your shop) ...I =
do</div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">change pads .. c clamp to press piston back into caliper (use =
a large screwdriver/pry bar if you are changing pads/rotors)</div><div =
class=3D"">fluid will flow back into reservoir ...If you don't want the =
crud from the caliper back into the system, crack the bleeder =
valve..</div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">ditto for changing rotors<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D""></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">Remove 2 pins to change pads//remove 2 bolts to change =
rotors/pads</div><br class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">suspend =
"caliper" from ? to avoid kinking/twisting flex line</div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">remove/replace rotors ..</div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">remove/replace pads ..<br =
class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Piece o' cake (go to Les Schwab and watch how =
they do it)</div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Jim<br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
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Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; color: rgb(38, 40, 42);" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Friday, December 13, 2019, 5:01:27 PM UTC, =
Bob Spidell <<a href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">bspidell@comcast.net</a>> wrote:</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div=
id=3D"x_gmail-m_-1214400317785726082ydpe4a0afe3yiv1539970186" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">I wondered that myself. Maybe =
some sort of check valve on the brake lines and pre-filled calipers, =
allowing bleeding with just a couple quick pumps on the brake pedal?<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Of course, it was a movie, so maybe it was the =
figment of some screenpaly writer's imagination?<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Bob<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">On =
12/13/2019 7:01 AM, Linwood Rose via Healeys wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; =
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Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, =
255); float: none; display: inline;" class=3D"">For those who saw the =
movie "Ford versus Ferrari." On the Phil Remington quick change =
rotor/caliper assembly, how do they avoid having to bleed the =
brakes?</span><br style=3D"font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none; color: =
rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, =
Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-style:=
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; =
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text-decoration: none; color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: =
"Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: =
13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: =
inline;" class=3D"">Just curious.</span><br style=3D"font-style: normal; =
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