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More grist for the mill:
BRAKES: As noted before, brakes have been "a sticky problem. Nobody at Ford
or Shelby American will say that the brakes are adequate yet-but rather
that the driver must be careful with them. Last year the- radial-spoked
rotors (vented discs) cracked regularly. Curved spokes this year have
reduced failures somewhat but not completely, and metal coatings tried
earlier failed to live up to expectations. With 653 sq in. of swept area,
there is no room for larger discs or pads. What happens in use is that the
rotors get tremendously hot during' braking and then cool very rapidly as
speed builds.
Because pad wear and rotor cracking were insoluble, at least for this year,
it seemed that methods had to be found for replacing brake parts quickly.
Two neat solutions along this line came forth from the racing teams. Shelby
American head Phil Remington devised quick-change brake pad retainers which
allow rapid removal and replacement of the pads. A remarkable new feature
was conceived by John Holman of Holman-Moody during the year's development:
quick change discs! This is a first, and surely will start a trend, The
disc hats are outboard of the hub flange and held in place by the wheel
studs, the caliper and the wheel itself. Thus when the wheel is removed,
and the caliper swung away (which requires only the loosening of two
bolts), the disc may be snatched off and a new one slipped on in seconds.
Design details and development work on this item were carried out by Ford
and Shelby American engineers. Disc diameters remain 11.6 in front and
rear, and Girling BR single calipers are used at both ends of the car.
Source: http://sportscars.tv/Newfiles/66fordgtdevewin.html
On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 1:33 PM WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink@msn.com> wrote:
> It occurs to me that another option would have been a floating caliper
> assembly in which they could have kept the hydraulic system in place and
> sealed on the chassis and been able to remove and replace the caliper and
> pads in a unit.
>
> They must have had something unusual going on which gave them enough of a=
n
> advantage to cause Enzo to lodge a complaint.
>
> If anyone ever gets close enough to one of these cars to check it out it
> would be interesting to have a report.
>
> Bill Lawrence
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Perry Small
> via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 18, 2019 5:19 PM
> *To:* Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
> *Cc:* Healeys@autox.team.net <Healeys@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Ford versus Ferrari
>
> There are different themes that play
> out during the movie for sure. I=E2=80=99ll once
> again vote for the father / son relationship
> and =E2=80=9Cthe Perfect Lap=E2=80=9D.
> Perry
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 18, 2019, at 6:51 AM, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF OTOH, the 'Hollywood treatment' broadens the appeal; my girlfri=
end, who
> doesn't have a gearhead strand in her DNA enjoyed the movie (which makes
> for a more pleasant after-movie experience). I also liked that they made
> Enzo Ferarri look like a jackass which, from all I've heard, he was. I'm
> sure most of us on this list would prefer a technical documentary on
> exactly how the cars were designed, built, tuned and driven but then you'=
d
> have an audience of maybe a couple thousand people.
>
> ps. I thought the 'clunk' they Foleyed-in for gearchanges didn't sound
> realistic, but I've never driven a GT40 so who knows.
>
>
> On 12/18/2019 6:38 AM, Stephen Hutchings wrote:
>
> I too remember that in the film they seemed to be swapping out the entire
> upright assembly.
> If you want to watch a good film about that era, see =E2=80=9CShelby Amer=
ican=E2=80=9D on
> Netflix.
> I wasn=E2=80=99t at all impressed by =E2=80=9CFord VS Ferrari=E2=80=9D=E2=
=80=A6just another Hollywood
> treatment full of ridiculous inaccuracies.
> They=E2=80=99re still using that old 1950=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9CB=E2=80=9D m=
ovie technique where two drivers
> are supposed to be approaching the end of the Mulsanne straight at very
> high speed, and they have time to glare at one another!
> And apparently all you have to do to overtake is gear down and press the
> accelerator.
> I know it=E2=80=99s Hollywood, but sheesh!
>
> Stephen, BJ8
>
> On Dec 18, 2019, at 12:51 AM, WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <YNOTINK@msn.com> wrote:
>
> In the movie, although there wasn't much technical explanation, it
> appeared that they removed and replaced the entire suspension upright
> assembly with new stub axles, hubs, rotors and calipers in place. I was
> thinking they must have used some kind of quick connect on the brake line=
s
> with a quick bleeder in place.
>
> Bill Lawrence
> BN1 #554
> ------------------------------
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">More grist for the mill:<div><br></div><div><p style=3D"co=
lor:rgb(39,64,74);font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size:medium"=
><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Helvetica, Geneva, Arial, SunSans-Regular, sans-s=
erif">BRAKES: As noted before, brakes have been "a sticky problem. Nob=
ody at Ford or Shelby American will say that the brakes are adequate yet-bu=
t rather that the driver must be careful with them. Last year the- radial-s=
poked rotors (vented discs) cracked regularly. Curved spokes this year have=
reduced failures somewhat but not completely, and metal coatings tried ear=
lier failed to live up to expectations. With 653 sq in. of swept area, ther=
e is no room for larger discs or pads. What happens in use is that the roto=
rs get tremendously hot during' braking and then cool very rapidly as s=
peed builds.</font></p><p style=3D"color:rgb(39,64,74);font-family:"Ti=
mes New Roman";font-size:medium"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Helvetica, G=
eneva, Arial, SunSans-Regular, sans-serif">Because pad wear and rotor crack=
ing were insoluble, at least for this year, it seemed that methods had to b=
e found for replacing brake parts quickly. Two neat solutions along this li=
ne came forth from the racing teams. Shelby American head Phil Remington de=
vised quick-change brake pad retainers which allow rapid removal and replac=
ement of the pads. A remarkable new feature was conceived by John Holman of=
Holman-Moody during the year's development: quick change discs! This i=
s a first, and surely will start a trend, The disc hats are outboard of the=
hub flange and held in place by the wheel studs, the caliper and the wheel=
itself. Thus when the wheel is removed, and the caliper swung away (which =
requires only the loosening of two bolts), the disc may be snatched off and=
a new one slipped on in seconds. Design details and development work on th=
is item were carried out by Ford and Shelby American engineers. Disc diamet=
ers remain 11.6 in front and rear, and Girling BR single calipers are used =
at both ends of the car.</font></p><p style=3D"color:rgb(39,64,74);font-fam=
ily:"Times New Roman";font-size:medium"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"=
Helvetica, Geneva, Arial, SunSans-Regular, sans-serif"><br></font></p><p st=
yle=3D"color:rgb(39,64,74);font-family:"Times New Roman";font-siz=
e:medium"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Helvetica, Geneva, Arial, SunSans-Regula=
r, sans-serif">Source:=C2=A0=C2=A0</font><a href=3D"http://sportscars.tv/Ne=
wfiles/66fordgtdevewin.html" style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-seri=
f;font-size:small">http://sportscars.tv/Newfiles/66fordgtdevewin.html</a></=
p></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmai=
l_attr">On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 1:33 PM WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <<a href=3D"m=
ailto:ynotink@msn.com">ynotink@msn.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px sol=
id rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
It occurs to me that another option would have been a floating caliper asse=
mbly in which they could have kept the hydraulic system in place and sealed=
on the chassis and been able to remove and replace the caliper and pads in=
a unit.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
They must have had something unusual going on which gave them enough of an =
advantage to cause Enzo to lodge a complaint.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
If anyone ever gets close enough to one of these cars to check it out it wo=
uld be interesting to have a report.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Bill Lawrence</div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_6664088248154078394appendonsend"></div>
<hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%">
<div id=3D"gmail-m_6664088248154078394divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=
=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" style=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From=
:</b> Healeys <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> on behalf of Perry Small=
via Healeys <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank=
">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 18, 2019 5:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Bob Spidell <<a href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; target=
=3D"_blank">bspidell@comcast.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:Healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">Heal=
eys@autox.team.net</a> <<a href=3D"mailto:Healeys@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank">Healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Ford versus Ferrari</font>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">There are different themes that play=C2=A0
<div>out during the movie for sure. I=E2=80=99ll once=C2=A0</div>
<div>again vote for the father / son relationship=C2=A0</div>
<div>and =E2=80=9Cthe Perfect Lap=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0</div>
<div>Perry<br>
<br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">On Dec 18, 2019, at 6:51 AM, Bob Spidell <<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; target=3D"_blank">bspidell@comcast.net<=
/a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF OTOH, the 'Hollywood treatment' broadens=
the appeal; my girlfriend, who doesn't have a gearhead strand in her D=
NA enjoyed the movie (which makes for a more pleasant after-movie experienc=
e).=C2=A0 I also liked that they made Enzo Ferarri look like
a jackass which, from all I've heard, he was.=C2=A0 I'm sure most =
of us on this list would prefer a technical documentary on exactly how the =
cars were designed, built, tuned and driven but then you'd have an audi=
ence of maybe a couple thousand people.<br>
<br>
ps.=C2=A0 I thought the 'clunk' they Foleyed-in for gearchanges did=
n't sound realistic, but I've never driven a GT40 so who knows.<br>
<br>
<br>
<div>On 12/18/2019 6:38 AM, Stephen Hutchings wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">I too remember that in the film they seemed to be=
swapping out the entire upright assembly.
<div>If you want to watch a good film about that era, see =E2=80=9CShelby A=
merican=E2=80=9D on Netflix.</div>
<div>I wasn=E2=80=99t at all impressed by =E2=80=9CFord VS Ferrari=E2=80=9D=
=E2=80=A6just another Hollywood treatment full of ridiculous inaccuracies.<=
/div>
<div>They=E2=80=99re still using that old 1950=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9CB=E2=80=
=9D movie technique where two drivers are supposed to be approaching the en=
d of the Mulsanne straight at very high speed, and they have time to glare =
at one another!</div>
<div>And apparently all you have to do to overtake is gear down and press t=
he accelerator.</div>
<div>I know it=E2=80=99s Hollywood, but sheesh!=C2=A0<br>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Stephen, BJ8</div>
<div><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>On Dec 18, 2019, at 12:51 AM, WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <<a href=3D"mailto=
:YNOTINK@msn.com" target=3D"_blank">YNOTINK@msn.com</a>> wrote:</div>
<br>
<div>
<div style=3D"font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal=
;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none=
;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calib=
ri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">
In the movie, although there wasn't much technical explanation, it appe=
ared that they removed and replaced the entire suspension upright assembly =
with new stub axles, hubs, rotors and calipers in place. I was thinking the=
y must have used some kind of quick
connect on the brake lines with a quick bleeder in place.</div>
<div style=3D"font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal=
;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none=
;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calib=
ri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">
<br>
</div>
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;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none=
;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calib=
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Bill Lawrence</div>
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