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To: WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Ford versus Ferrari
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This assumes the movie was 100% factual about the brake repair.=20
Remember, it=E2=80=99s a movie. Having a tech drag out an entire suspension u=
pright is visually much more exciting than grabbing a set of pads and a new r=
otor.=20

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> On Dec 17, 2019, at 9:51 PM, WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink@msn.com> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> In the movie, although there wasn't much technical explanation, it appeare=
d that they removed and replaced the entire suspension upright assembly with=
 new stub axles, hubs, rotors and calipers in place. I was thinking they mus=
t have used some kind of quick connect on the brake lines with a quick bleed=
er in place.
>=20
> Bill Lawrence
> BN1 #554
> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Alan Seigrist <=
healey.nut@gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 3:22 AM
> To: jim <ab7vf@yahoo.com>
> Cc: Healey list <healeys@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Ford versus Ferrari
> =20
> as long as you are removing the brake pads and not the calipers, no need b=
leed anything.  Honestly with some practice on the BJ8, with a full pit crew=
, you could probably remove and replace the rotors and pads in 5 min or less=
 if assemblies were ready.
>=20
>=20
> On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 2:43 AM jim via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net> w=
rote:
> Changing "rotors" ..Changing "pads" ...Changing "calipers" ...Not equivale=
nt=20
>=20
>  the ONLY time I need to open the fluid lines is when I have to change "ca=
lipers"
>=20
> All the caliper change directions I have seen advise to prefill/pre bleed c=
aliper before fitting
>=20
> Heat? ...Use a CO2 extinguisher (you do have a current certified one in yo=
ur shop) ...I do
>=20
> change pads .. c clamp to press piston back into caliper (use a large scre=
wdriver/pry bar if you are changing pads/rotors)
> fluid will flow back into reservoir ...If you don't want the crud from the=
 caliper back into the system, crack the bleeder valve..
> ditto for changing rotors=20
>=20
> Remove 2 pins to change pads//remove 2 bolts to change rotors/pads
>=20
> suspend "caliper" from ? to avoid kinking/twisting flex line
>=20
> remove/replace rotors ..
>=20
> remove/replace pads ..
>=20
> Piece o' cake (go to Les Schwab and watch how they do it)
>=20
> Jim
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On Friday, December 13, 2019, 5:01:27 PM UTC, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcas=
t.net> wrote:
>=20
>=20
> I wondered that myself.   Maybe some sort of check valve on the brake line=
s and pre-filled calipers, allowing bleeding with just a couple quick pumps o=
n the brake pedal?
>=20
> Of course, it was a movie, so maybe it was the figment of some screenpaly w=
riter's imagination?
>=20
> Bob
>=20
>> On 12/13/2019 7:01 AM, Linwood Rose via Healeys wrote:
>> For those who saw the movie "Ford versus Ferrari." On the Phil Remington q=
uick change rotor/caliper assembly, how do they avoid having to bleed the br=
akes?
>> Just curious.
>>=20
>> Lin
>>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">This assumes the movie was 100% factual abo=
ut the brake repair.&nbsp;<div>Remember, it=E2=80=99s a movie. Having a tech=
 drag out an entire suspension upright is visually much more exciting than g=
rabbing a set of pads and a new rotor.&nbsp;<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent fr=
om my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Dec 17, 2=
019, at 9:51 PM, WILLIAM B LAWRENCE &lt;ynotink@msn.com&gt; wrote:<br><br></=
blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF

<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii">=




<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
In the movie, although there wasn't much technical explanation, it appeared t=
hat they removed and replaced the entire suspension upright assembly with ne=
w stub axles, hubs, rotors and calipers in place. I was thinking they must h=
ave used some kind of quick
 connect on the brake lines with a quick bleeder in place.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
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<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
Bill Lawrence</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
BN1 #554</div>
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<div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" sty=
le=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Healeys &lt;healeys-bou=
nces@autox.team.net&gt; on behalf of Alan Seigrist &lt;healey.nut@gmail.com&=
gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 18, 2019 3:22 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> jim &lt;ab7vf@yahoo.com&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Healey list &lt;healeys@autox.team.net&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Ford versus Ferrari</font>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
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<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">as long as you are removing the brake pads and not the cali=
pers, no need bleed anything.&nbsp; Honestly with some practice on the BJ8, w=
ith a full pit crew, you could probably remove and replace the rotors and pa=
ds in 5 min or less if assemblies were
 ready.
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class=3D"x_gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"x_gmail_attr">On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 2:43 AM jim v=
ia Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.=
net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class=3D"x_gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; borde=
r-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204); padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-se=
rif; font-size:13px">
<div></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Changing "rotors" ..Changing "pads" ...Changing "calipers" .=
..Not equivalent
<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;the ONLY time I need to open the fluid lines is when I=
 have to change "calipers"</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">All the caliper change directions I have seen advise to pre=
fill/pre bleed caliper before fitting<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Heat? ...Use a CO2 extinguisher (you do have a current cert=
ified one in your shop) ...I do</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">change pads .. c clamp to press piston back into caliper (u=
se a large screwdriver/pry bar if you are changing pads/rotors)</div>
<div>fluid will flow back into reservoir ...If you don't want the crud from t=
he caliper back into the system, crack the bleeder valve..</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">ditto for changing rotors <br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Remove 2 pins to change pads//remove 2 bolts to change roto=
rs/pads</div>
<br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">suspend "caliper" from ? to avoid kinking/twisting flex lin=
e</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">remove/replace rotors ..</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">remove/replace pads ..<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Piece o' cake (go to Les Schwab and watch how they do it)</=
div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Jim<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
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rif; font-size:13px; color:rgb(38,40,42)">
<div>On Friday, December 13, 2019, 5:01:27 PM UTC, Bob Spidell &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; target=3D"_blank">bspidell@comcast.net</a>&gt;=
 wrote:
</div>
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<div id=3D"x_gmail-m_-1214400317785726082ydpe4a0afe3yiv1539970186">
<div>I wondered that myself.&nbsp;&nbsp; Maybe some sort of check valve on t=
he brake lines and pre-filled calipers, allowing bleeding with just a couple=
 quick pumps on the brake pedal?<br>
<br>
Of course, it was a movie, so maybe it was the figment of some screenpaly wr=
iter's imagination?<br>
<br>
Bob<br>
<br>
<div>On 12/13/2019 7:01 AM, Linwood Rose via Healeys wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div><span style=3D"font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:no=
rmal; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing=
:0px; text-decoration:none; color:rgb(38,40,42); font-family:&quot;Helvetica=
 Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size:13px; background-color:rgb=
(255,255,255); float:none; display:inline">For
 those who saw the movie "Ford versus Ferrari." On the Phil Remington quick c=
hange rotor/caliper assembly, how do they avoid having to bleed the brakes?<=
/span><br style=3D"font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:nor=
mal; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:=
0px; text-decoration:none; color:rgb(38,40,42); font-family:&quot;Helvetica N=
eue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size:13px">
<span style=3D"font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal;=
 text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px;=
 text-decoration:none; color:rgb(38,40,42); font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue=
&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size:13px; background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255); float:none; display:inline">Just
 curious.</span><br style=3D"font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-s=
pacing:normal; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; wor=
d-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; color:rgb(38,40,42); font-family:&quot;=
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ext-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; t=
ext-decoration:none; color:rgb(38,40,42); font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&q=
uot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size:13px">
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 text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px;=
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