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To: Alan Seigrist <healey.nut@gmail.com>, WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Ford versus Ferrari
From: jim via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 17:11:36 +0000 (UTC)
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 the operative phrase being "in the movie" ...maybe they used "the force" ?=
???
Jim

    On Wednesday, December 18, 2019, 5:51:29 AM UTC, WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <yn=
otink@msn.com> wrote: =20
=20
 In the movie, although there wasn't much technical explanation, it appeare=
d that they removed and replaced the entire suspension upright assembly wit=
h new stub axles, hubs, rotors and calipers in place. I was thinking they m=
ust have used some kind of quick connect on the brake lines with a quick bl=
eeder in place.
Bill LawrenceBN1 #554From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> on beha=
lf of Alan Seigrist <healey.nut@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 3:22 AM
To: jim <ab7vf@yahoo.com>
Cc: Healey list <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Ford versus Ferrari=C2=A0as long as you are removing=
 the brake pads and not the calipers, no need bleed anything.=C2=A0 Honestl=
y with some practice on the BJ8, with a full pit crew, you could probably r=
emove and replace the rotors and pads in 5 min or less if assemblies were r=
eady.

On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 2:43 AM jim via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net> wr=
ote:

Changing "rotors" ..Changing "pads" ...Changing "calipers" ...Not equivalen=
t

=C2=A0the ONLY time I need to open the fluid lines is when I have to change=
 "calipers"
All the caliper change directions I have seen advise to prefill/pre bleed c=
aliper before fitting

Heat? ...Use a CO2 extinguisher (you do have a current certified one in you=
r shop) ...I do
change pads .. c clamp to press piston back into caliper (use a large screw=
driver/pry bar if you are changing pads/rotors)fluid will flow back into re=
servoir ...If you don't want the crud from the caliper back into the system=
, crack the bleeder valve..ditto for changing rotors=20

Remove 2 pins to change pads//remove 2 bolts to change rotors/pads
suspend "caliper" from ? to avoid kinking/twisting flex line
remove/replace rotors ..
remove/replace pads ..

Piece o' cake (go to Les Schwab and watch how they do it)
Jim




On Friday, December 13, 2019, 5:01:27 PM UTC, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast=
.net> wrote:

I wondered that myself.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Maybe some sort of check valve on the b=
rake lines and pre-filled calipers, allowing bleeding with just a couple qu=
ick pumps on the brake pedal?

Of course, it was a movie, so maybe it was the figment of some screenpaly w=
riter's imagination?

Bob

On 12/13/2019 7:01 AM, Linwood Rose via Healeys wrote:

For those who saw the movie "Ford versus Ferrari." On the Phil Remington qu=
ick change rotor/caliper assembly, how do they avoid having to bleed the br=
akes?
Just curious.

Lin


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        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">the operative phrase being "in the 
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                    On Wednesday, December 18, 2019, 5:51:29 AM UTC, WILLIAM B 
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In the movie, although there wasn't much technical explanation, it appeared 
that they removed and replaced the entire suspension upright assembly with new 
stub axles, hubs, rotors and calipers in place. I was thinking they must have 
used some kind of quick
 connect on the brake lines with a quick bleeder in place.</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 18, 2019 3:22 AM<br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr">as long as you are removing the brake pads and not the calipers, 
no need bleed anything.&nbsp; Honestly with some practice on the BJ8, with a 
full pit crew, you could probably remove and replace the rotors and pads in 5 
min or less if assemblies were
 ready.
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2019 at 2:43 AM jim via Healeys &lt;<a shape="rect" 
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target="_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr">Changing "rotors" ..Changing "pads" ...Changing "calipers" 
...Not equivalent
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<div dir="ltr">&nbsp;the ONLY time I need to open the fluid lines is when I 
have to change "calipers"</div>
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<div dir="ltr">All the caliper change directions I have seen advise to 
prefill/pre bleed caliper before fitting<br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr">Heat? ...Use a CO2 extinguisher (you do have a current certified 
one in your shop) ...I do</div>
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<div dir="ltr">change pads .. c clamp to press piston back into caliper (use a 
large screwdriver/pry bar if you are changing pads/rotors)</div>
<div>fluid will flow back into reservoir ...If you don't want the crud from the 
caliper back into the system, crack the bleeder valve..</div>
<div dir="ltr">ditto for changing rotors <br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr">Remove 2 pins to change pads//remove 2 bolts to change 
rotors/pads</div>
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<div dir="ltr">suspend "caliper" from ? to avoid kinking/twisting flex 
line</div>
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<div dir="ltr">remove/replace rotors ..</div>
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<div dir="ltr">remove/replace pads ..<br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr">Piece o' cake (go to Les Schwab and watch how they do it)</div>
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<div>I wondered that myself.&nbsp;&nbsp; Maybe some sort of check valve on the 
brake lines and pre-filled calipers, allowing bleeding with just a couple quick 
pumps on the brake pedal?<br clear="none">
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Of course, it was a movie, so maybe it was the figment of some screenpaly 
writer's imagination?<br clear="none">
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<div>On 12/13/2019 7:01 AM, Linwood Rose via Healeys wrote:<br clear="none">
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 those who saw the movie "Ford versus Ferrari." On the Phil Remington quick 
change rotor/caliper assembly, how do they avoid having to bleed the 
brakes?</span><br 
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