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Many good points (yuk yuk) are made in this string and much of the answer
probably lies with different personal experiences, philosophy re
originality, tolerance for potential roadside repair, etc. etc.
Several years back I installed a double-headed SU Dave Dubois rebuilt and
converted to solid-state mounted, with a bit of customization, where the
original SU did, which previously had been backed up by a FACET cube
spliced into the fuel line inside the wheel arch. Both setups were/are
wired with an on-off-on switch mounted discreetly behind the driver's seat.
Plus's for this set up: Instant redundancy for the motor with fewer
plumbing fittings and wires, plus what I feel is a certain elegance for
having an upgraded SU part tucked away out of plain site. The biggest
negative is that the pump section is shared, and if it fails it fails to
both motors.
Personally I do not like cube pumps of any brand and on my
Weber-carb'd race cars, both of which have Weber DCOE 45's, I use a Carter
4070 plumbed through a Holly fuel pressure regulator. Fuel pump failure
during racing is, to me, unacceptable and the Carters have been foolproof
in race conditions since installation over ten years ago. However for a
street Healey I am willing to run the risk of a roadside repair such as
that pictured by Bob Spidell, and do carry a FACET cube which I can install
into the fuel circuit given some rubber tubing, clamps, etc.
Different strokes....
Best--Michael Oritt
On Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 5:39 PM Kees Oudesluijs <coudesluijs@chello.nl>
wrote:
> Mylar, You could well be right. I was always told it was kevlar but when
> I think of it this may be wrong. If I look up mylar, it certainly has the
> right properties.
>
> Kees Oudesluijs
>
>
>
> Op 16-2-2020 om 20:30 schreef Bob Spidell:
>
> I must be the outlier; I've had many SU pumps fail on the road over the
> years (maybe, because until recently I was putting 5-7K miles/year on my
> BJ8?). I've bought new points-based, rebuilt several--for a few years th=
e
> replacement points were pure crap--bought new SU electronic and built SU
> electronic from kits and had the late Dave DuBois rebuild several (now in
> pieces on the bench). Still, I stick with them hoping for one of the
> legendary points type that supposedly last a million miles.
>
> I always thought/assumed the film on the diaphragm face was mylar (not
> kevlar).
>
> Bob
>
> On 2/16/2020 11:09 AM, josef-eckert@t-online.de wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> I never understand it. I have the original pumps in all my Austin-Healeys
> and only restored them together with the car. They never let me stranded.
> In case I have an identical one (also restored) in the boot. It helped
> several who broke down with their Facett, Mitsuba, Hardi, etc. pumps.
>
>
>
> Josef Eckert
>
> K=C3=B6nigswinter/Germany
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original-Nachricht-----
>
> Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Facet Cube 12v Fuel Pump, 1/8 NPT, 2-3.5 psi |
> Pegasus Auto Racing Supplies
>
> Datum: 2020-02-16T20:03:40+0100
>
> Von: "Michael Salter" <michaelsalter@gmail.com> <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
>
> An: "warthodson@aol.com" <warthodson@aol.com> <warthodson@aol.com>
> <warthodson@aol.com>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Why do so many people replace an original SU pump that has lasted decade=
s"
> Because the replacement ones are nice and shiny and gold coloured ... the=
y
> must be better =EF=BF=BD=EF=BF=BD
> M
>
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 4:20 AM warthodson--- via Healeys <
> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Why do so many people replace an original SU pump that has lasted decade=
s
>> with an aftermarket pump that requires modifying the fuel lines, adding
>> additional fittings, clamps & altering the mounting brackets (all
>> additional sources of failures), vibrates continuously, etc, when it wou=
ld
>> be so much easier & more original to simply replace it with a new highly
>> reliable SU fuel pump? If you are concerned about being stranded at the
>> side of the road, carry a spare SU or even better install it in parallel=
&
>> wire up a selector switch so you can switch between the two pumps.
>> Gary Hodson
>>
>>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br><=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail=
_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Many good points (yuk yuk) are made in th=
is string and much of the answer probably lies with different personal expe=
riences, philosophy re originality, tolerance for potential roadside repair=
, etc. etc.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br><=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Several years bac=
k I installed a double-headed SU Dave=C2=A0Dubois rebuilt and converted to =
solid-state mounted, with a bit of customization, where the original SU did=
, which previously had been backed up by a FACET cube spliced into the fuel=
line inside the wheel arch.=C2=A0 Both setups were/are wired with an on-of=
f-on switch=C2=A0mounted discreetly behind the driver's seat.=C2=A0</di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Plus's for this set up:=C2=
=A0 Instant redundancy for the motor with fewer plumbing fittings and wires=
, plus what I feel is a certain=C2=A0elegance for having an upgraded SU par=
t tucked away out of plain site.=C2=A0 The biggest negative is that the pum=
p section is shared, and if it fails it fails to both motors.</div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_=
default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Personally I do not like=C2=A0cube pumps o=
f any brand and on my Weber-carb'd=C2=A0race=C2=A0cars, both of which=
=C2=A0have Weber DCOE 45's, I use a Carter 4070 plumbed through a Holly=
fuel pressure regulator.=C2=A0 Fuel pump failure during racing is, to me, =
unacceptable and the Carters have been foolproof in race conditions since i=
nstallation over ten years ago.=C2=A0 However for a street Healey I am will=
ing to run the risk of a roadside repair such as that pictured by Bob Spide=
ll, and do carry a FACET cube which I can install into the fuel circuit giv=
en some rubber tubing, clamps, etc.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3=
333ff">Different strokes....=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"col=
or:#3333ff">Best--Michael Oritt</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"=
color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333f=
f"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div=
><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_de=
fault" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3=
333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br><=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div></div><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Feb 16, 202=
0 at 5:39 PM Kees Oudesluijs <<a href=3D"mailto:coudesluijs@chello.nl";>c=
oudesluijs@chello.nl</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204=
);padding-left:1ex">
=20
=20
=20
<div>
<p>Mylar, You could well be right. I was always told=C2=A0 it was kevla=
r
but when I think of it this may be wrong. If I look up mylar, it
certainly has the right properties.</p>
<p>Kees Oudesluijs</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<div>Op 16-2-2020 om 20:30 schreef Bob
Spidell:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
=20
I must be the outlier; I've had many SU pumps fail on the road
over the years (maybe, because until recently I was putting 5-7K
miles/year on my BJ8?).=C2=A0 I've bought new points-based, rebui=
lt
several--for a few years the replacement points were pure
crap--bought new SU electronic and built SU electronic from kits
and had the late Dave DuBois rebuild several (now in pieces on the
bench).=C2=A0 Still, I stick with them hoping for one of the legendar=
y
points type that supposedly last a million miles.<br>
<br>
I always thought/assumed the film on the diaphragm face was mylar
(not kevlar).<br>
<br>
Bob<br>
<br>
<div>On 2/16/2020 11:09 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:josef-eckert@t-online.d=
e" target=3D"_blank">josef-eckert@t-online.de</a>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
=20
=20
<p style=3D"margin:0px"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,=
sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none">Mike,<br>
</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,=
sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none">I
never understand it. I have the original pumps in all my
Austin-Healeys and only restored them together with the car.
They never let me stranded. In case I have an identical one
(also restored) in the boot. It helped several who broke
down with their Facett, Mitsuba, Hardi, etc. pumps.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px">=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,=
sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none">Josef
Eckert</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,=
sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none">K=C3=B6nig=
swinter/Germany</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,=
sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none">=C2=A0</sp=
an></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px">=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px">=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px">-----Original-Nachricht-----</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px">Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Facet Cube 12v
Fuel Pump, 1/8 NPT, 2-3.5 psi | Pegasus Auto Racing Supplies</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px">Datum: 2020-02-16T20:03:40+0100</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px">Von: "Michael Salter" <a href=3D"=
mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank"><michaelsalter@gmail.c=
om></a></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px">An: <a href=3D"mailto:warthodson@aol.com"; t=
arget=3D"_blank">"warthodson@aol.com"</a>
<a href=3D"mailto:warthodson@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank"><warth=
odson@aol.com></a></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px">=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px">=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0px">=C2=A0</p>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:"comic s=
ans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small">"Why do so many people
replace an original SU pump that has lasted decades"</di=
v>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:"comic s=
ans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small">Because the replacement
ones are nice and shiny and gold coloured ... they must be
better =EF=BF=BD=EF=BF=BD</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:"comic s=
ans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small">M</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at
4:20 AM warthodson--- via Healeys <<a href=3D"mailto:heale=
ys@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>>
wrote:</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"color:black;font:10pt arial">Why do so
many people replace an original SU pump that has lasted
decades with an aftermarket pump that requires modifying
the fuel lines, adding additional fittings, clamps &
altering the mounting brackets (all additional sources
of failures), vibrates continuously, etc, when it would
be so much easier & more original to simply replace
it with a new highly reliable SU fuel pump? If you are
concerned about being stranded at the side of the road,
carry a spare SU or even better install it in parallel
& wire up a selector switch so you can switch
between the two pumps.=C2=A0
<div>Gary Hodson=C2=A0<br>
<br>
</div>
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