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Re: [Healeys] Brake Lockup

To: Alan Seigrist <healey.nut@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Brake Lockup
From: Bob Spidell via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2020 20:27:59 -0700
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I think I bought SS pots when I rebuilt them, but it's been so long ago ...

On 8/5/2020 8:04 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote:
> Hi Bob -
>
> If you have the original chrome plated Girling pots in there, little 
> bits of corrosion can start, causing the pot to stick a little.  Worth 
> taking the right caliper off (it's easy) and taking the pots out 
> looking for rust.  If that's the case, easy fix, replace the pots with 
> SS replacements and the seals, you'll never have a problem again.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Alan
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 10:26 AM Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net 
>
>     Flex lines are 'normal' rubber; but fairly new. I checked the hard
>     line today; no kinks (my memory was playing tricks again).
>
>     It pulls down straight; looks like replacing the kinked RR hard
>     line might have helped (ya' think, Bob?). I'll pull the wheels and
>     have a look at pads and rotors; might be a while as I'm starting
>     to think about harvest.
>
>     Bob
>
>
>     On 8/5/2020 5:54 PM, Harold Manifold wrote:
>>     You should be able to judge if the callipers are apply even
>>     pressure to the disk by the wear pattern on each side of the
>>     disk. If the wear is even and the surfaces look very similar
>>     likely the pads are not seized. Don't rule out air in the brake
>>     line. Are the flex hoses rubber or stainless steel braid? You may
>>     have a flex hose that is expanding due to pressure in the brake line.
>>     Harold
>>
>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     *From:* Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] *On
>>     Behalf Of *Bob Spidell
>>     *Sent:* Wednesday, August 05, 2020 10:00 AM
>>     *To:* Michael MacLean; Austin Healey
>>     *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Brake Lockup
>>
>>     Your $0.02 is appreciated. Rotors and pads were replaced not too
>>     long ago, but it's probably been 20 years since I rebuilt the
>>     calipers.
>>
>>     Bob
>>
>>     On 8/5/2020 9:27 AM, Michael MacLean wrote:
>>>     Maybe the right caliper was fluid starved for so long that is
>>>     froze in place or at least is binding up for that reason.  If
>>>     all the brake lines are clear, the only thing left is the
>>>     caliper.  Sounds like time for a rebuild.  Just my two cents.
>>>     Mike MacLean
>>>     On Tuesday, August 4, 2020, 10:07:19 PM PDT, Bob Spidell
>>>
>>>
>>>     Flex lines are only a couple years old, and the hard lines are
>>>     fairly
>>>     fresh cupro-nickel. You got me thinking, though, the RF hard
>>>     line may
>>>     have a slight kink (they're both coiled). I'll check it out.
>>>
>>>     Bob
>>>
>>>     On 8/4/2020 9:57 PM, sentenac.rw@gmail.com
>>>     > Bob, could there still be some debris in the right front brake
>>>     line
>>>     > that keeps the right brake from being as effective as the
>>>     left?  Or an
>>>     > internally frayed flex line to the right brake?
>>>     >
>>>     > -Roland
>>>     >
>>>     > On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 21:50:42 -0700, you wrote:
>>>     >
>>>     >> Thanks, Kees. The car's brakes are stock BJ8; i.e. single
>>>     circuit. It
>>>     >> pulls down straight, but locks the front left only. I
>>>     replaced pads and
>>>     >> rotors about 4 years/20K miles ago, and the old gear looked
>>>     to be pretty
>>>     >> evenly worn. The right rear line was the one that was
>>>     pinched, and I
>>>     >> thought for sure that would cure the lock-up; it did pull
>>>     before I
>>>     >> replaced the line, but I don't remember the direction (pull
>>>     to the right
>>>     >> would have been expected, I think).
>>>     >>
>>>     >> I'll take a look at the pads and rotors when I get a chance.
>>>     >>
>>>     >>
>>>     >> On 8/4/2020 9:18 PM, Kees Oudesluijs wrote:
>>>     >>> Sounds like one of the calipers is (partly) seized. The car is
>>>     >>> probably pulling to one side as well under normal braking.
>>>     An overhaul
>>>     >>> of the calipers and new pads would probably sort it. Also
>>>     check the
>>>     >>> discs.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>> If you have a dual brake circuit fitted which is split in
>>>     circuits
>>>     >>> with one front and the opposite rear brake, check the Pressure
>>>     >>> Differential Valve or Pressure Differential Warning Actuator
>>>     (PDWA).
>>>     >>> The plunjer should be central but can get dislodged after
>>>     leakage or
>>>     >>> bleeding the brakes.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>> But first check the tyre pressures.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>> Kees Oudesluijs
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>> Op 5-8-2020 om 05:00 schreef Bob Spidell:
>>>     >>>> Listers,
>>>     >>>>
>>>     >>>> Today I replaced a section of brake line on my BJ8 that I'd
>>>     squashed
>>>     >>>> with a jackstand. The operation was a success, and I got
>>>     good pedal
>>>     >>>> after bleeding, but when I stomped on the brakes only the
>>>     front left
>>>     >>>> locked-up. This has been the case as long as I can
>>>     remember, but as I
>>>     >>>> don't usually need to lock them up it hasn't bothered me.
>>>     But, now
>>>     >>>> I'm wondering 'why?' There's no adjustment on disk brakes,
>>>     obviously,
>>>     >>>> so why would one squeeze harder than the other?
>>>     >>>>
>>>     >>>> Bob
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    I think I bought SS pots when I rebuilt them, but it's been so long
    ago ...<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/5/2020 8:04 PM, Alan Seigrist
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAFBXTkLEku1getW58xnH1rX4fhJO6mTMsdQ5JX4-MWRb+S14_A@mail.gmail.com">
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      <div dir="ltr">Hi Bob -
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>If you have the original chrome plated Girling pots in
          there, little bits of corrosion can start, causing the pot to
          stick a little.  Worth taking the right caliper off (it's
          easy) and taking the pots out looking for rust.  If that's the
          case, easy fix, replace the pots with SS replacements and the
          seals, you'll never have a problem again.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Best Regards,</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Alan</div>
      </div>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">
        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 10:26
          AM Bob Spidell &lt;<a href="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";
            moz-do-not-send="true">bspidell@comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
          0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
          <div> Flex lines are 'normal' rubber; but fairly new. I
            checked the hard line today; no kinks (my memory was playing
            tricks again).<br>
            <br>
            It pulls down straight; looks like replacing the kinked RR
            hard line might have helped (ya' think, Bob?). I'll pull the
            wheels and have a look at pads and rotors; might be a while
            as I'm starting to think about harvest.<br>
            <br>
            Bob<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <div>On 8/5/2020 5:54 PM, Harold Manifold wrote:<br>
            </div>
            <blockquote type="cite">
              <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font size="2"
                    face="Arial" color="#0000ff">You should be able to
                    judge if the callipers are apply even pressure to
                    the disk by the wear pattern on each side of the
                    disk. If the wear is even and the surfaces look very
                    similar likely the pads are not seized. Don't rule
                    out air in the brake line. Are the flex hoses rubber
                    or stainless steel braid? You may have a flex hose
                    that is expanding due to pressure in the brake 
line.</font></span></div>
              <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span></span> </div>
              <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font size="2"
                    face="Arial" color="#0000ff">Harold</font></span></div>
              <br>
              <div dir="ltr" lang="en-us" align="left">
                <hr> <font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> Healeys
                  [<a href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";
                    target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]
                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob Spidell<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 05, 2020 10:00 AM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> Michael MacLean; Austin Healey<br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Brake Lockup<br>
                </font><br>
              </div>
              Your $0.02 is appreciated. Rotors and pads were replaced
              not too long ago, but it's probably been 20 years since I
              rebuilt the calipers.<br>
              <br>
              Bob<br>
              <br>
              <div>On 8/5/2020 9:27 AM, Michael MacLean wrote:<br>
              </div>
              <blockquote type="cite">
                <div style="font-size:16px;font-family:&quot;times new
                  roman&quot;,&quot;new york&quot;,times,serif">
                  <div>Maybe the right caliper was fluid starved for so
                    long that is froze in place or at least is binding
                    up for that reason.  If all the brake lines are
                    clear, the only thing left is the caliper.  Sounds
                    like time for a rebuild.  Just my two cents.</div>
                  <div dir="ltr">Mike MacLean<br>
                  </div>
                  <div
                    id="gmail-m_-6704541230362734652yahoo_quoted_7488643462">
                    <div
                      style="font-size:13px;font-family:&quot;Helvetica
Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">
                      <div>On Tuesday, August 4, 2020, 10:07:19 PM PDT,
                        Bob Spidell <a
                          href="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";
                          target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;bspidell@comcast.net&gt;</a>
                        wrote: </div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <div dir="ltr">Flex lines are only a couple
                          years old, and the hard lines are fairly <br
                            clear="none">
                          fresh cupro-nickel. You got me thinking,
                          though, the RF hard line may <br clear="none">
                          have a slight kink (they're both coiled). I'll
                          check it out.<br clear="none">
                          <br clear="none">
                          Bob<br clear="none">
                          <div
                            id="gmail-m_-6704541230362734652yqtfd45520"><br
                              clear="none">
                            On 8/4/2020 9:57 PM, <a
                              href="mailto:sentenac.rw@gmail.com";
                              shape="rect" target="_blank"
                              moz-do-not-send="true">sentenac.rw@gmail.com</a>
                            wrote:<br clear="none">
                            &gt; Bob, could there still be some debris
                            in the right front brake line<br
                              clear="none">
                            &gt; that keeps the right brake from being
                            as effective as the left?  Or an<br
                              clear="none">
                            &gt; internally frayed flex line to the
                            right brake?<br clear="none">
                            &gt;<br clear="none">
                            &gt; -Roland<br clear="none">
                            &gt;<br clear="none">
                            &gt; On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 21:50:42 -0700, you
                            wrote:<br clear="none">
                            &gt;<br clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt; Thanks, Kees. The car's brakes are
                            stock BJ8; i.e. single circuit. It<br
                              clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt; pulls down straight, but locks the
                            front left only. I replaced pads and<br
                              clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt; rotors about 4 years/20K miles ago,
                            and the old gear looked to be pretty<br
                              clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt; evenly worn. The right rear line
                            was the one that was pinched, and I<br
                              clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt; thought for sure that would cure
                            the lock-up; it did pull before I<br
                              clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt; replaced the line, but I don't
                            remember the direction (pull to the right<br
                              clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt; would have been expected, I think).<br
                              clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt;<br clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt; I'll take a look at the pads and
                            rotors when I get a chance.<br clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt;<br clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt;<br clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt; On 8/4/2020 9:18 PM, Kees
                            Oudesluijs wrote:<br clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt;&gt; Sounds like one of the calipers
                            is (partly) seized. The car is<br
                              clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt;&gt; probably pulling to one side as
                            well under normal braking. An overhaul<br
                              clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt;&gt; of the calipers and new pads
                            would probably sort it. Also check the<br
                              clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt;&gt; discs.<br clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt;&gt;<br clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt;&gt; If you have a dual brake
                            circuit fitted which is split in circuits<br
                              clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt;&gt; with one front and the opposite
                            rear brake, check the Pressure<br
                              clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt;&gt; Differential Valve or Pressure
                            Differential Warning Actuator (PDWA).<br
                              clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt;&gt; The plunjer should be central
                            but can get dislodged after leakage or<br
                              clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt;&gt; bleeding the brakes.<br
                              clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt;&gt;<br clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt;&gt; But first check the tyre
                            pressures.<br clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt;&gt;<br clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt;&gt;<br clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt;&gt; Kees Oudesluijs<br clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt;&gt;<br clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt;&gt;<br clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt;&gt;<br clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt;&gt; Op 5-8-2020 om 05:00 schreef
                            Bob Spidell:<br clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Listers,<br clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Today I replaced a section
                            of brake line on my BJ8 that I'd squashed<br
                              clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; with a jackstand. The
                            operation was a success, and I got good
                            pedal<br clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; after bleeding, but when I
                            stomped on the brakes only the front left<br
                              clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; locked-up. This has been
                            the case as long as I can remember, but as I<br
                              clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; don't usually need to lock
                            them up it hasn't bothered me. But, now<br
                              clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I'm wondering 'why?'
                            There's no adjustment on disk brakes,
                            obviously,<br clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; so why would one squeeze
                            harder than the other?<br clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br clear="none">
                            &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Bob<br clear="none">
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