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Subject: Re: [Mgs] Speed Bleeders
From: Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 13:16:22 -0700
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I can see why =E2=80=94 it is a uselessly tiny size. Appropriate for =
fine instruments, perhaps, but seriously undersized for anything that =
needs actual tightening, like a bleed screw.


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'66 MGB


> On May 22, 2020, at 1:10 PM, palte <palte@gmx.net> wrote:
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> Even in my metric habitat (I live in Europe)
> a 7mm spanner is not that common.
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> Verzonden vanaf mijn Samsung Galaxy-smartphone.
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> -------- Oorspronkelijk bericht --------
> Van: Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>
> Datum: 22-05-2020 19:45 (GMT+01:00)
> Aan: Barney Gaylord <barneymg@mgaguru.com>
> Cc: MG list mail everyone <mgs@autox.team.net>
> Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Speed Bleeders
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> What Barney said. I was recently extremely irritated to find that the =
only rear wheel brake cylinders I could buy for my 1967 Plymouth had 7mm =
hexes on the bleeders. Who even has a 7mm wrench? And when I bought a =
cheap set of small metric wrenches just for this purpose, the fit was so =
bad it rounded off the equally cheap hex.
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> I tapped out the holes and installed SAE (I think 5/16) bleed screws.
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> Sent from my iPad
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>> On May 22, 2020, at 10:04 AM, Barney Gaylord via Mgs =
<mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BF Actually it's the other way around.  When these things are =
manufactured overseas, metric hex stock is common while imperial =
dimension stock is near impossible to source.  Result is that =
replacement parts are often delivered with metric dimensions, so we are =
now forced to be adding metric tools to our traveling tool kits.
>>=20
>>=20
>> At 12:31 PM 5/22/2020, Robert's New iPad via Mgs wrote:
>>>    Perhaps there is, or one can be extrapolated from their listing =
for different cars, in which they say that all metric-thread SBs are SAE =
wrench size, because metric stock is more expensive.
>>>    To continue research, we must go to McMaster-Carr and see if =
their hex stock costs more in the larger sizes, and how much.=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>> On May 22, 2020, at 11:11 AM, Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase@gmail.com =
>>>=20
>>>> Is there a technical or logical reason they are all different?
>>>>=20
>>>> Dan D
>>>> '76B, '65B
>>>> Central NJ USA
>>>> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ <http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/>
>>=20
>>>> On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 10:42 AM Osborne, Paul via Mgs =
>>>> It would have good if when they made them if all the same wrench =
size. It is a PIA, 3 diff. sizes.=20
>>>> met 3 cents.=20
>>>> paul o
>>>>> On May 21, 2020, at 4:11 PM, Robert's New iPad via Mgs =
>>>>>   One kind lister recommended Speed Bleeders a couple of weeks =
ago, and I bought them for my MGB, SB 3824 for front brakes, SB 1428 for =
rear, and SB 71620 for the clutch.  It was time to change the hydraulic =
fluid, so seemed opportune to install these.
>>>>>   Thanks for the recommendation.  They made the job quick and =
neat.
>>>>>   Instructions are OK, but let me add that one should try to pinch =
the brake lines with ViceGrips to minimise loss of fluid, and pinch the =
clutch line even if you don=E2=80=99t do the others.   All three SBs =
were of different wrench size from original bleed screws.  Have wrenches =
ready for both sizes.
>>>>>   We had two cars to do, hence had two people. What the observer =
learned, watching from underneath, was that three pumps for each wheel =
will bring clear, clean fluid to both front and rear brakes.=20
>>>>>  $38 well spent.
>>>>> Bob
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can see why =E2=80=94 it is a uselessly tiny size. Appropriate for fine =
instruments, perhaps, but seriously undersized for anything that needs =
actual tightening, like a bleed screw.<div class=3D""><br =
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<div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On May 22, 2020, at 1:10 PM, palte &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:palte@gmx.net"; class=3D"">palte@gmx.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3DUTF-8" =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">Even in my metric habitat =
(I live in Europe)</div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">a 7mm spanner is =
not that common.</div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
id=3D"composer_signature" dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><div =
style=3D"font-size:85%;color:#575757" dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">Verzonden =
vanaf mijn Samsung Galaxy-smartphone.</div></div><div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
style=3D"font-size: 100%;" dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><!-- originalMessage =
--><div class=3D"">-------- Oorspronkelijk bericht --------</div><div =
class=3D"">Van: Max Heim via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"=
 class=3D"">mgs@autox.team.net</a>&gt; </div><div class=3D"">Datum: =
22-05-2020  19:45  (GMT+01:00) </div><div class=3D"">Aan: Barney Gaylord =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:barneymg@mgaguru.com"; =
class=3D"">barneymg@mgaguru.com</a>&gt; </div><div class=3D"">Cc: MG =
list mail everyone &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">mgs@autox.team.net</a>&gt; </div><div class=3D"">Onderwerp: =
Re: [Mgs] Speed Bleeders </div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div></div>What Barney said. I was recently extremely =
irritated to find that the only rear wheel brake cylinders I could buy =
for my 1967 Plymouth had 7mm hexes on the bleeders. Who even has a 7mm =
wrench? And when I bought a cheap set of small metric wrenches just for =
this purpose, the fit was so bad it rounded off the equally cheap =
hex.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I tapped out =
the holes and installed SAE (I think 5/16) bleed screws.<br class=3D""><br=
 class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Sent from my iPad</div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D"">On May 22, 2020, at 10:04 AM, Barney Gaylord via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; class=3D"">mgs@autox.team.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br class=3D""><br class=3D""></blockquote></div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">=EF=BB=BF

Actually it's the other way around.&nbsp; When these things are
manufactured overseas, metric hex stock is common while imperial
dimension stock is near impossible to source.&nbsp; Result is that
replacement parts are often delivered with metric dimensions, so we are
now forced to be adding metric tools to our traveling tool kits.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
At 12:31 PM 5/22/2020, Robert's New iPad via Mgs wrote:<br class=3D"">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"cite" cite=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp; Perhaps =
there is,
or one can be extrapolated from their listing for different cars, in
which they say that all metric-thread SBs are SAE wrench size, because
metric stock is more expensive.<br class=3D"">
&nbsp;&nbsp; To continue research, we must go to McMaster-Carr and see =
if
their hex stock costs more in the larger sizes, and how much.&nbsp;
</blockquote><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"cite" cite=3D"">On May 22, 2020, at =
11:11 AM,
Dan DiBiase
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dan.dibiase@gmail.com"; =
class=3D"">dan.dibiase@gmail.com</a>&gt;
wrote:<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"cite" cite=3D"">Is there a technical =
or logical
reason they are all different?<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">
Dan D<br class=3D"">
'76B, '65B<br class=3D"">
Central NJ USA<br class=3D"">
<a href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/"; class=3D"">
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a></blockquote></blockquote><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"cite" cite=3D"">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"cite" cite=3D"">On Fri, May 22, 2020 =
at 10:42 AM
Osborne, Paul via Mgs
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">mgs@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
wrote:
<dl class=3D"">
<dd class=3D"">It would have good if when they made them if all the same =
wrench
size. It is a PIA, 3 diff. sizes. <br class=3D"">

</dd><dd class=3D"">met 3 cents. <br class=3D"">

</dd><dd class=3D"">paul o</dd></dl></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"cite" cite=3D"">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"cite" cite=3D"">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"cite" cite=3D"">
<dl class=3D"">
<dd class=3D"">On May 21, 2020, at 4:11 PM, Robert's New iPad via Mgs
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">mgs@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
wrote:<br class=3D"">

</dd><dd class=3D"">&nbsp; One kind lister recommended Speed Bleeders a =
couple of weeks
ago, and I bought them for my MGB, SB 3824 for front brakes, SB 1428 for
rear, and SB 71620 for the clutch.&nbsp; It was time to change the
hydraulic fluid, so seemed opportune to install these.
</dd><dd class=3D"">&nbsp; Thanks for the recommendation.&nbsp; They =
made the job quick
and neat.
</dd><dd class=3D"">&nbsp; Instructions are OK, but let me add that one =
should try to
pinch the brake lines with ViceGrips to minimise loss of fluid, and =
pinch
the clutch line even if you don=E2=80=99t do the others.&nbsp;&nbsp; All =
three
SBs were of different wrench size from original bleed screws.&nbsp; Have
wrenches ready for both sizes.
</dd><dd class=3D"">&nbsp; We had two cars to do, hence had two people. =
What the observer
learned, watching from underneath, was that three pumps for each wheel
will bring clear, clean fluid to both front and rear brakes.&nbsp;=20
</dd><dd class=3D"">&nbsp;$38 well spent.
</dd><dd class=3D"">Bob=20
</dd></dl></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>

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