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Subject: Re: [Mgs] Speed Bleeders
From: Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 11:50:14 -0700
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Sure. But the requirement of carrying ONE metric tool for a vintage =
all-SAE vehicle is understandably irksome. Plus, it means that tool =
isn=E2=80=99t in the drawer for when one is working on a modern metric =
vehicle.

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'66 MGB



> On May 22, 2020, at 11:44 AM, Osborne, Paul <paul@ece.rochester.edu> =
wrote:
>=20
> In fear of my comment,,, a good set of mechanic wrenches, metric, has =
all the sizes in 1mm increments. The set you buy from say HF or even =
Sears Cobalt  does not.=20
>=20
> paul o
>=20
>> On May 22, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net =
>>=20
>> What Barney said. I was recently extremely irritated to find that the =
only rear wheel brake cylinders I could buy for my 1967 Plymouth had 7mm =
hexes on the bleeders. Who even has a 7mm wrench? And when I bought a =
cheap set of small metric wrenches just for this purpose, the fit was so =
bad it rounded off the equally cheap hex.
>>=20
>> I tapped out the holes and installed SAE (I think 5/16) bleed screws.
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPad
>>=20
>>> On May 22, 2020, at 10:04 AM, Barney Gaylord via Mgs =
>>>=20
>>> =EF=BB=BF Actually it's the other way around.  When these things are =
manufactured overseas, metric hex stock is common while imperial =
dimension stock is near impossible to source.  Result is that =
replacement parts are often delivered with metric dimensions, so we are =
now forced to be adding metric tools to our traveling tool kits.
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> At 12:31 PM 5/22/2020, Robert's New iPad via Mgs wrote:
>>>>    Perhaps there is, or one can be extrapolated from their listing =
for different cars, in which they say that all metric-thread SBs are SAE =
wrench size, because metric stock is more expensive.
>>>>    To continue research, we must go to McMaster-Carr and see if =
their hex stock costs more in the larger sizes, and how much.=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>> On May 22, 2020, at 11:11 AM, Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase@gmail.com =
>>>>=20
>>>>> Is there a technical or logical reason they are all different?
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Dan D
>>>>> '76B, '65B
>>>>> Central NJ USA
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>>>>> It would have good if when they made them if all the same wrench =
size. It is a PIA, 3 diff. sizes.=20
>>>>> met 3 cents.=20
>>>>> paul o
>>>>>> On May 21, 2020, at 4:11 PM, Robert's New iPad via Mgs =
>>>>>>   One kind lister recommended Speed Bleeders a couple of weeks =
ago, and I bought them for my MGB, SB 3824 for front brakes, SB 1428 for =
rear, and SB 71620 for the clutch.  It was time to change the hydraulic =
fluid, so seemed opportune to install these.
>>>>>>   Thanks for the recommendation.  They made the job quick and =
neat.
>>>>>>   Instructions are OK, but let me add that one should try to =
pinch the brake lines with ViceGrips to minimise loss of fluid, and =
pinch the clutch line even if you don=E2=80=99t do the others.   All =
three SBs were of different wrench size from original  bleed screws.  =
Have wrenches ready for both sizes.
>>>>>>   We had two cars to do, hence had two people. What the observer =
learned, watching from underneath, was that three pumps for each wheel =
will bring clear, clean fluid to both front and rear brakes.=20
>>>>>>  $38 well spent.
>>>>>> Bob
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Sure.=
 But the requirement of carrying ONE metric tool for a vintage all-SAE =
vehicle is understandably irksome. Plus, it means that tool isn=E2=80=99t =
in the drawer for when one is working on a modern metric vehicle.<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
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min-height: 16px;" class=3D"">Max Heim</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; =
font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">'66 MGB</div></div></div>
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<div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On May 22, 2020, at 11:44 AM, Osborne, Paul &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:paul@ece.rochester.edu"; =
class=3D"">paul@ece.rochester.edu</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">

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-webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">
In fear of my comment,,, a good set of mechanic wrenches, metric, has =
all the sizes in 1mm increments. The set you buy from say HF or even =
Sears Cobalt &nbsp;does not.&nbsp;
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">paul o</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">On May 22, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Max Heim via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; class=3D"">mgs@autox.team.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div>
<br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
<div class=3D"">
<div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">What Barney said. I was recently extremely =
irritated to find that the only rear wheel brake cylinders I could buy =
for my 1967 Plymouth had 7mm hexes on the bleeders. Who even has a 7mm =
wrench? And when I bought a cheap set of small
 metric wrenches just for this purpose, the fit was so bad it rounded =
off the equally cheap hex.
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">I tapped out the holes and installed SAE (I think 5/16) =
bleed screws.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Sent from my iPad</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br class=3D"">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">On May 22, 2020, at 10:04 AM, =
Barney Gaylord via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">mgs@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
</blockquote>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">=EF=BB=BF Actually it's the other way =
around.&nbsp; When these things are manufactured overseas, metric hex =
stock is common while imperial dimension stock is near impossible to =
source.&nbsp; Result is that replacement parts are often delivered with =
metric
 dimensions, so we are now forced to be adding metric tools to our =
traveling tool kits.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
At 12:31 PM 5/22/2020, Robert's New iPad via Mgs wrote:<br class=3D"">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"cite" cite=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp; Perhaps =
there is, or one can be extrapolated from their listing for different =
cars, in which they say that all metric-thread SBs are SAE wrench size, =
because metric stock is more expensive.<br class=3D"">
&nbsp;&nbsp; To continue research, we must go to McMaster-Carr and see =
if their hex stock costs more in the larger sizes, and how much.&nbsp;
</blockquote>
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"cite" cite=3D"">On May 22, 2020, at =
11:11 AM, Dan DiBiase &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dan.dibiase@gmail.com"; =
class=3D"">dan.dibiase@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"cite" cite=3D"">Is there a technical =
or logical reason they are all different?<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Dan D<br class=3D"">
'76B, '65B<br class=3D"">
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<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"cite" cite=3D"">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"cite" cite=3D"">On Fri, May 22, 2020 =
at 10:42 AM Osborne, Paul via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; class=3D"">mgs@autox.team.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:
<dl class=3D""><dd class=3D"">It would have good if when they made them =
if all the same wrench size. It is a PIA, 3 diff. sizes.
<br class=3D"">
</dd><dd class=3D"">met 3 cents. <br class=3D"">
</dd><dd class=3D"">paul o</dd></dl>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"cite" cite=3D"">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"cite" cite=3D"">
<dl class=3D""><dd class=3D"">On May 21, 2020, at 4:11 PM, Robert's New =
iPad via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">mgs@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D"">
</dd><dd class=3D"">&nbsp; One kind lister recommended Speed Bleeders a =
couple of weeks ago, and I bought them for my MGB, SB 3824 for front =
brakes, SB 1428 for rear, and SB 71620 for the clutch.&nbsp; It was time =
to change the hydraulic fluid, so seemed opportune to install
 these. </dd><dd class=3D"">&nbsp; Thanks for the recommendation.&nbsp; =
They made the job quick and neat. </dd><dd class=3D"">&nbsp; =
Instructions are OK, but let me add that one should try to pinch the =
brake lines with ViceGrips to minimise loss of fluid, and pinch the =
clutch line even if you don=E2=80=99t do the others.&nbsp;&nbsp; All =
three SBs were of different wrench size from original
 bleed screws.&nbsp; Have wrenches ready for both sizes. </dd><dd =
class=3D"">&nbsp; We had two cars to do, hence had two people. What the =
observer learned, watching from underneath, was that three pumps for =
each wheel will bring clear, clean fluid to both front and rear =
brakes.&nbsp;
</dd><dd class=3D"">&nbsp;$38 well spent. </dd><dd class=3D"">Bob =
</dd></dl>
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