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Re: Left Lane Cruiser!

To: Les Myer <lmyer@qtm.net>
Subject: Re: Left Lane Cruiser!
From: Chris Stevenson <minor@sunset.net>
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 23:23:11 -0800
Cc: Ulix Goettsch <ulix@u.washington.edu>, spridgets@Autox.Team.Net
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Reply-to: Chris Stevenson <minor@sunset.net>
Sender: owner-spridgets@Autox.Team.Net
 Regarding tire sizes, you can count on 2.5 to 3 percent changes in the overall
ratio for each size up or down, as long  as you have the same profile. I have
found out (too late) that a 185/70 x 14 has the same diameter as a 155 x 14.
 Chris

Les Myer wrote:

> Ulix,
>
> Wouldn't my car at 80 mph with 185s be:
>
> 4624 * (4.22/3.7) * .947 = 4994 rpm
>
> Then my car at 80 mph with 145s would be:
>
> 4624 * (4.22/3.7) * 1 = 5273 rpm
>
> hmmm.....not as big a difference as I thought.
>
> Interesting that at 100 mph with 4.22 and 185s, rpms would be:
>
> 4994 * 100/80 = 6242 rpm
>
> Guess I was spinning it right up there.
>
> Thanks for the data.
>
> Les
>
> At 07:26 PM 2/8/98 -0800, you wrote:
> >Les,
> >a 145-13 is 566mm in diameter, the 185/70-13 is 598mm
> >Circumference is pi*diameter,  so I can just divide 566/598=0.947
> >So you turn 95% as many rpm as with stock tires.
> >Going from 4.22 to 3.9 is 3.9/4.22=.924 or 92.4%
> >
> >Now to get the rpm.
> >
> >17.3mph/1000rpm for a 3.7 with 145s
> >1000/17.3 = 57.8 rpm/mph
> >80mph * 57.8 = 4624rpm in a '79 Midget
> >
> >In your car:
> >4624 * (4.22/3.7) * .924 = 4873rpm
> >
> >In my car: 3792rpm.
> >
> >I'll try my top speed after I rebuild the engine :-)
> >I think I'll have to use 4th to get there though...
> >
> >Ulix
> >
> >
> >On Sun, 8 Feb 1998, Les Myer wrote:
> >
> >> So how many RPMs am I turning with a 4.22 and 185/70R-13 tires during an
> >> 80mph commute to work on I-94 (tach is off (reads 6500), but have
> >> calculated MPH by the mile markers)?  Really would like to know.  You gotta
> >> do 80 here in Michigan (70mph speed limit) to keep from getting run over by
> >> the 18-wheelers going from Chicago to Detroit and vice versa.  I cringed
> >> every time until I put the bigger tires on and I think the bigger tires
> >> look a lot better than the little skinnies I had before. I think they are a
> >> viable option to swapping diffs.  Plus, it softened the ride immensely.
> >> The only things I don't like about them is the wheel hop I get when dumping
> >> the clutch at RPM and I don't think it handles quite as well in the 30 mph
> >> range.
> >>
> >> BTW, 80 is not the top end - have had PUDDLES briefly over 100mph with
> >> these tires - kind of weird, the exhaust note seems to get much quieter at
> >> very high rpm.  I try to keep the cruising speed at 70-75 mph for
> >> long-distance driving.
> >>
> >> Les
> >>
> >> At 10:13 AM 2/8/98 -0800, you wrote:
> >> >I swapped out the 4.22 for a 3.7 rear end in my car, which is equipped
> >> >with the 5-speed.  Wow!  It has transformed the character of the car on
> >> >the highway.  WIth the ribcase and 4.22, I felt completely out of place on
> >> >the highway, the car felt like it was doing something it wasn't designed
> >> >to do.  I used to drive ~60mph.  The combination of 3.7 and 5-speed lowers
> >> >my rpm to 72% of original.  At 4000 rpm, I go the same speed that used to
> >> >take 5500rpm, which according to me calculations should be 84mph.  74mph
> >> >at 3500rpm.  I ride the fast lane unstressed. (All numbers based on
> >> >theory, not the inaccurate instruments of my car.  rpm to mph conversion
> >> >based on Haynes manual that says 17.3 mph/1000rpm in 1500 with 3.7 rear).
> >> >
> >> >Of course there are tradeoffs. Inclines on the highway will get
> >> >me downshifting early, since the motor has less power at 3500 than at 4000
> >> >which is what I used to see at cruise.
> >> >The long rear end makes for a long first gear which makes for harder
> >> >takeoff from a stop.  First gear on the Datsun trans is shorter than the
> >> >one of the ribcase, which helps to offset this some.  This shorter first,
> >> >coupled with the 4.22 resulted in a very short first gear that is nice on
> >> >steep hills, but is also too low to make any significant speed in the
> >> >process on accelerating from a stoplight.  I didn't notice this until now.
> >> >Now, after taking off, there is rush of forward motion in 1st, that wasn't
> >> >there.  This is hard to explain, let me try again...if you take off on a
> >> >mountain bike in the lowest gear it has, yes - it is very easy to take
> >> >off, but this low gear doesn't get you to any useful speed before you have
> >> >to upshift...
> >> >
> >> >I have yet to try taking off on an EXTREMELY steep hill in my
> >> >neighborhood to test the difference in that respect.
> >> >
> >> >If you do a lot of highway cruising, I would recommend this combo (maybe
> >> >not with a 948).
> >> >
> >> >    Ulix                                                    __/__,__
>
> >> >.......................................................... (_o____o_)....
> >> >                                                           '67 Sprite
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >    Ulix                                                    __/__,__
> >.......................................................... (_o____o_)....
> >                                                           '67 Sprite
> >
> >
> >




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