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To: "'Tom Witt'" <atwittsend@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Urban legend
From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 13:48:25 -0400
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Tom

                Generally I state Shelby American because Carroll was =
the face and the voice of Shelby American and not always hands on.   He =
hired the right people to do the hands on work and designs.

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As I understand it Shelby American made a proposal to build the Tiger =
=E2=80=93 that did not happen.   I also believe there was a list of =
improvement ideas for the Tiger that was generated within Shelby =
American if they got the Tiger build.

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Maybe I remember wrong =E2=80=93 old timers syndrome creeping in.

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Ron Fraser

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From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Tom Witt via =
Tigers
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 1:19 PM
To: tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Urban legend

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"Seems to me Shelby American had a list of improvements for the Tiger."

I've never heard of this list but perhaps I missed something that =
occurred later on. Since I edited the George Boskoff video from when he =
spoke at Mammoth I got to repeatedly hear what George said. He basically =
implied that Shelby dumped the Alpine V-8 conversion on him and Shelby =
had little interaction. When I believe it was John Panks came to pick up =
the car it was George, not Shelby that took him for the test drive. When =
done he asked George for the official drawings and George humbly replied =
that, "Well..., I have a few templates in a box."

I hope I'm not coming across as contentious. Perhaps later on there was =
interaction with Rootes and Shelby for improvements but at least =
originally it seems Shelby did the job for the money and primarily =
placed it into Boskoff's lap. From that point on  George said he never =
saw the car again (until Mammoth).

On 3/13/2020 8:03 AM, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote:

Jim

                It would have definitely been nice if Shelby American =
remained involved with Rootes and the Tiger program.

Seems to me Shelby American had a list of improvements for the Tiger.

I=E2=80=99m not sure if that list is available in the Shelby American =
archive or elsewhere but it would be nice to read that list.

I=E2=80=99m sure suspension improvement were on that list.

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Anyone know if that Shelby American Tiger improvement list is available?

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Ron Fraser

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<tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jim B via Tigers
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 12:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Urban legend

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Geez Buck, now what will we talk about? Just kidding. Ya know, Chrysler =
really didn=E2=80=99t have much of a choice really. With all the fitment =
issues and the new standards it was probably the right choice, or the =
only choice. What I tend to ponder is, where things might have gone with =
the Tiger if circumstances were different. Shelby involvement? Ford =
involvement? Rootes remaining solvent? Just rambling about the what IFs. =
Cheers=20

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Tom<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Generally I state Shelby American =
because Carroll was the face and the voice of Shelby American and not =
always hands on.=C2=A0=C2=A0 He hired the right people to do the hands =
on work and designs.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>As I =
understand it Shelby American made a proposal to build the Tiger =
=E2=80=93 that did not happen.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I also believe there was a =
list of improvement ideas for the Tiger that was generated within Shelby =
American if they got the Tiger build.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Maybe I =
remember wrong =E2=80=93 old timers syndrome creeping =
in.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Tigers =
&lt;tigers-bounces@autox.team.net&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Witt via =
Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 13, 2020 1:19 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
tigers@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Urban =
legend<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p><i>&quot;Seems to me Shelby =
American had a list of improvements for the =
Tiger.&quot;</i><o:p></o:p></p><p>I've never heard of this list but =
perhaps I missed something that occurred later on. Since I edited the =
George Boskoff video from when he spoke at Mammoth I got to repeatedly =
hear what George said. He basically implied that Shelby dumped the =
Alpine V-8 conversion on him and Shelby had little interaction. When I =
believe it was John Panks came to pick up the car it was George, not =
Shelby that took him for the test drive. When done he asked George for =
the official drawings and George humbly replied that, &quot;Well..., I =
have a few templates in a box.&quot;<o:p></o:p></p><p>I hope I'm not =
coming across as contentious. Perhaps later on there was interaction =
with Rootes and Shelby for improvements but at least originally it seems =
Shelby did the job for the money and primarily placed it into Boskoff's =
lap. From that point on&nbsp; George said he never saw the car again =
(until Mammoth).<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On 3/13/2020 =
8:03 AM, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Jim<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It would have definitely been nice =
if Shelby American remained involved with Rootes and the Tiger =
program.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Seems to me Shelby American =
had a list of improvements for the Tiger.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99m not sure if that list is available in the =
Shelby American archive or elsewhere but it would be nice to read that =
list.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99m sure suspension =
improvement were on that list.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Anyone know =
if that Shelby American Tiger improvement list is =
available?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Tigers <a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net";>&lt;tigers-bounces@autox.te=
am.net&gt;</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim B via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> =
Thursday, March 12, 2020 12:18 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Sub=
ject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Urban legend<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt'>Geez Buck, now what =
will we talk about? Just kidding. Ya know, =
Chrysler&nbsp;really&nbsp;didn=E2=80=99t have much&nbsp;of a choice =
really. With all&nbsp;the fitment issues and the new standards it was =
probably the right choice, or the only&nbsp;choice. What I tend to =
ponder is, where things might have gone with the Tiger if circumstances =
were different. Shelby&nbsp;involvement? =
Ford&nbsp;involvement?&nbsp;Rootes&nbsp;remaining solvent? Just rambling =
about the what =
IFs.&nbsp;Cheers&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote></d=
iv><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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