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Re: Machine shop work

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Subject: Re: Machine shop work
From: Douglas Frank <frank@zk3.dec.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:24:48 -0500
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Tony Rhodes wrote:
> 
> I have 2 transmissions apart and
> they BOTH have had layshaft failure by delamination of the hardened surface
> at the rear bearing near the 1st laygear.
> 
> It would appear that the hardness of the surface or the depth of the hardening
> is not adequate for the force the needle rollers apply.
> 
> I want to get my new layshaft hardened better (more?) (deeper?).  Before
> I make a lot of phone calls, is this something most machine shops can do?
> If not, then whom?
> 
> Also, for those of you with tranny experience, is my impression correct that 
>this
> area is a high failure rate area?  This and the top hat bushing?



FWIW, the layshaft on my GT6 was a total loss when I opened the box up.

I bought a replacement from Rimmer-- it was included in their
"reconditioning kit"-- but have decided not to use it.

Rimmer's replacement wasn't finished to quite as high a standard as the
original part, although it looked to be "good enough" and certainly fit
well.
The problem  is that it's too soft.  A layshaft ought to be "file
hard."  In other words, when you stroke a file across the part, it ought
to skate along without digging in.  My file bit right into Rimmer's
part.

I took the shaft to a local machinst who was recommended to me by a
colleague at work, who is timekeeper for one of the local Busch light
teams.  The shop was unable to harden it, because they couldn't identify
the material used.

I ended up buying a properly hardened shaft from Quantum Mechanics
(Monroe, CT)
with whom I've dealt with before (and highly recommend).

For future refrence, Rimmer's faxed me their specs for the shaft.  I
quote, without fully understanding:

  material  ...  BS.970:part3:212A42
  heat treat  ...  case harden 60-62 HRC, depth .75mm (pre-grinding)
  finish grind  ...  4-6u c.l.a  (that's 'u' for 'micro')
  tolerance (dia)  ...  85 somethings
  max runout OAL  ...  .0015in

If anyone can identify the US equivalent of that BS number, I'd
appreciate it!

--
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ZKO            110 Spit Brook Rd.     A ship big enough to carry two in
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