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Re: [TR] MGA

To: Rye Livingston <ryel@mac.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] MGA
From: TERRY SMITH <terryrs@comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 13:16:54 -0400 (EDT)
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>, Randall <tr3driver@ca.rr.com>
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Cool.  Thanks, Rye.  That's sort of what I'm asking.  Engine size can be ma=
de up by gear ratios, OD's, cams, and so on.  So the Spyder was 500 cc's sm=
aller than a Triumph, but significantly outperformed?

> On July 17, 2019 at 12:30 PM Rye Livingston <ryel@mac.com> wrote:
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>     One correction, James Dean died in a 550 Porsche Spyder, one of only =
90 produced, not a Speedster.  It had a 1.5 liter engine, but it was a Carr=
era engine with twin overhead cams, two separate ignition manifolds and two=
 ignition coils.  It was also a mid engine design like the 914 and the curr=
ent Boxter and Cayman.  So this car isn't comparable to a Triumph or MGA of=
 that era.
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>     Rye
>     1960 TR3A
>     1963 356
>     1968 912
>     1988 911 Carrera
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>     On July 16, 2019 at 4:48 PM, TERRY SMITH <terryrs@comcast.net> wrote:
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> >         Hmmm.  So looking quickly other street cars of the time, a 1959=
 Porsche 356 A had a 1.6 liter engine; I don't know about the Porsche "spee=
dster" or even if it was different, other than James Dean died in one.  The=
 1959 MGA had a 1.6 liter.  The Jaguar XK 150 had a 3.8 liter engine.  Karm=
ann Ghia had between a 1.1 and 1.3 liter engine.  As far as I can tell the =
Fiat 850 started in 1964, with an engine a single strong man could seemingl=
y lift.  The Sunbeam Alpine was a 1.5 liter.  The Austin Martin DB4 was 3.7=
 liters.  Couldn't quickly find the big Healeys four and six cylinder engin=
es.  The Bugeye Sprite was a 0.948 liter; my sister called it her putt-putt=
.  Triumphs and Morgans, of course, ran the same 2 liter engine.
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> >         All this said, and certainly subject to any corrections you mig=
ht have, I remain unsure how Triumphs stacked up in races against these.  A=
nybody?
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> >         Terry
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> >             > > > On July 16, 2019 at 5:40 PM Randall <tr3driver@ca.rr.=
com> wrote:
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> > >             110 mph in 4th OD is only 4500 rpm.  Not what I call =E2=
=80=9Ccrank shattering rpm=E2=80=9D.  A stock TR3 won=E2=80=99t usually run=
 that fast of course, but 87mm liners were actually cheaper than 83s, back =
in the 70s.  (I actually found a set that had been returned to Warshawski=
=E2=80=99s in Chicago, better known as JC Whitney, for even less than the u=
sual price.)
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> > >             And I=E2=80=99ve run 4500 for literally hours without a p=
roblem.  (Speed enforcement in the desert tends to be lax =F0=9F=98=8A )
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> > >             From: TERRY SMITH mailto:terryrs@comcast.net
> > >             Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 1:47 PM
> > >             To: Randall mailto:tr3driver@ca.rr.com
> > >             Cc: Triumphs mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net
> > >             Subject: Re: [TR] MGA
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> > >             That reminds me.  When I say my TR3 "keeps up with traffi=
c," I'm referencing traffic on the freeway here (tollway, rather) that clip=
s along between 70 and 80 mph.  I've been curious about the various cruisin=
g speeds and power performances of TR3's and their competition back in the =
day, cruising that is without winding up to crank shattering rpm's.  Anybod=
y familiar with that?=20
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</head><body><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans=
-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Cool.&#160; Thanks, Rye.&#160; That&#39;s =
sort of what I&#39;m asking.&#160; Engine size can be made up by gear ratio=
s, OD&#39;s, cams, and so on.&#160; So the Spyder was 500 cc&#39;s smaller =
than a Triumph, but significantly outperformed?<br></p><blockquote type=3D"=
cite">On July 17, 2019 at 12:30 PM Rye Livingston &#60;ryel@mac.com&#62; wr=
ote: <br> <br><div><span style=3D"font-size: 14px; font-family: geneva, san=
s-serif;">One correction, James Dean died in a 550 Porsche Spyder, one of o=
nly 90 produced, not a Speedster. &#160;It had a&#160;1.5 liter engine, but=
 it was a Carrera engine with twin overhead cams,&#160;<span style=3D"color=
: #222222; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-=
transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; background-color: =
#ffffff; float: none; display: inline;">two separate ignition manifolds&#16=
0;and&#160;two ignition coils. &#160;It was also a mid engine design like t=
he 914 and the current Boxter and Cayman. &#160;So this car isn&#39;t compa=
rable to a&#160;Triumph or MGA of that era.</span></span></div><div><span s=
tyle=3D"color: #222222; font-family: geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; f=
ont-style: normal; font-weight: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: n=
one; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; flo=
at: none; display: inline;"><br></span></div>&#160;<div class=3D"ox-17f5f52=
9b1-x-apple-signature"><span style=3D"font-size: 14px; font-family: geneva,=
 sans-serif;">Rye</span> <br> <span style=3D"font-family: geneva, sans-seri=
f;"><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;">1960 TR3A</span></span></div><div clas=
s=3D"ox-17f5f529b1-x-apple-signature"><span style=3D"font-family: geneva, s=
ans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;">1963 356</span></span></div><d=
iv class=3D"ox-17f5f529b1-x-apple-signature"><span style=3D"font-family: ge=
neva, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;">1968 912</span></span><=
/div><div class=3D"ox-17f5f529b1-x-apple-signature"><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily: geneva, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;">1988 911 Carrera=
</span></span></div><div class=3D"ox-17f5f529b1-x-apple-signature"><span st=
yle=3D"font-family: geneva, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;"><=
br></span></span></div><div class=3D"ox-17f5f529b1-x-apple-signature"><span=
 style=3D"font-family: geneva, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;=
"><br></span></span></div><div><br>On July 16, 2019 at 4:48 PM, TERRY SMITH=
 &#60;terryrs@comcast.net&#62; wrote: <br> <br></div><div><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><div class=3D"ox-17f5f529b1-msg-quote"><p style=3D"font-size: 12p=
t; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;">Hmmm.&#160; So=
 looking quickly other street cars of the time, a 1959 Porsche 356 A had a =
1.6 liter engine; I don&#39;t know about the Porsche &#34;speedster&#34; or=
 even if it was different, other than James Dean died in one.&#160; The 195=
9 MGA had a 1.6 liter.&#160; The Jaguar XK 150 had a 3.8 liter engine.&#160=
; Karmann Ghia had between a 1.1 and 1.3 liter engine.&#160; As far as I ca=
n tell the Fiat 850 started in 1964, with an engine a single strong man cou=
ld seemingly lift.&#160; The Sunbeam Alpine was a 1.5 liter.&#160; The Aust=
in Martin DB4 was 3.7 liters.&#160; Couldn&#39;t quickly find the big Heale=
ys four and six cylinder engines.&#160; The Bugeye Sprite was a 0.948 liter=
; my sister called it her putt-putt.&#160; Triumphs and Morgans, of course,=
 ran the same 2 liter engine.<br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-fami=
ly: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;"><br></p><p style=3D"font-s=
ize: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;">All th=
is said, and certainly subject to any corrections you might have, I remain =
unsure how Triumphs stacked up in races against these.&#160; Anybody?<br></=
p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; col=
or: #333333;"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,a=
rial,sans-serif; color: #333333;">Terry<br></p><blockquote type=3D"cite">On=
 July 16, 2019 at 5:40 PM Randall &#60;tr3driver@ca.rr.com&#62; wrote: <br>=
 <br><div class=3D"ox-17f5f529b1-ox-cc84e2b33b-WordSection1"><p class=3D"ox=
-17f5f529b1-ox-cc84e2b33b-MsoNormal">110 mph in 4<sup>th</sup> OD is only 4=
500 rpm.&#160; Not what I call &#8220;crank shattering rpm&#8221;.&#160; A =
stock TR3 won&#8217;t usually run that fast of course, but 87mm liners were=
 actually cheaper than 83s, back in the 70s.&#160; (I actually found a set =
that had been returned to Warshawski&#8217;s in Chicago, better known as JC=
 Whitney, for even less than the usual price.)</p><p class=3D"ox-17f5f529b1=
-ox-cc84e2b33b-MsoNormal">&#160;</p><p class=3D"ox-17f5f529b1-ox-cc84e2b33b=
-MsoNormal">And I&#8217;ve run 4500 for literally hours without a problem.&=
#160; (Speed enforcement in the desert tends to be lax <span style=3D"font-=
family: 'Segoe UI Emoji',sans-serif;">=F0=9F=98=8A</span> )</p><p class=3D"=
ox-17f5f529b1-ox-cc84e2b33b-MsoNormal">&#160;</p><p class=3D"ox-17f5f529b1-=
ox-cc84e2b33b-MsoNormal">Sent from <a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwli=
nk/?LinkId=3D550986">Mail</a> for Windows 10</p><p class=3D"ox-17f5f529b1-o=
x-cc84e2b33b-MsoNormal">&#160;</p><div style=3D"border: none; border-top: s=
olid #E1E1E1 1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class=3D"ox-17f5f529b1-=
ox-cc84e2b33b-MsoNormal" style=3D"border: none; padding: 0in;"><strong>From=
: </strong><a href=3D"mailto:terryrs@comcast.net";>TERRY SMITH</a><br><stron=
g>Sent: </strong>Tuesday, July 16, 2019 1:47 PM<br><strong>To: </strong><a =
href=3D"mailto:tr3driver@ca.rr.com";>Randall</a><br><strong>Cc: </strong><a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>Triumphs</a><br><strong>Subject: </=
strong>Re: [TR] MGA</p></div><p class=3D"ox-17f5f529b1-ox-cc84e2b33b-MsoNor=
mal">&#160;</p><p><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Helvetica=
',sans-serif; color: #333333;">That reminds me.&#160; When I say my TR3 &#3=
4;keeps up with traffic,&#34; I&#39;m referencing traffic on the freeway he=
re (tollway, rather) that clips along between 70 and 80 mph.&#160; I&#39;ve=
 been curious about the various cruising speeds and power performances of T=
R3&#39;s and their competition back in the day, cruising that is without wi=
nding up to crank shattering rpm&#39;s.&#160; Anybody familiar with that?&#=
160;</span></p></div></blockquote><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family:=
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