To all,
A clarification on VSCDA classifications...
948cc Bugyes run in Group 2, the 1275(?)cc green & yellow $50,000
Sprite and all other 1275 Sprites run in Group 8.
WST
Team Thicko
Mike & Jaye Rosen wrote:
> Alfred Kobacker wrote:
> >
> > Because vintage racing differs from pro or SCCA amateur racing in
> that the
> > cars run with more than one sanctioning group, and because the
> sanctioning
> > groups are unlikely to adopt identical policies, what if the race
> groups
> > (e.g. group 1,2,3,4,5 cars, etc.) formed individual, formal
> organizations
> > which maintained a consistent set of standards, and to which
> everyone who
> > wished to race in that group belonged. Not unlike Monoposto, these
> groups
> > could then, with considerable leverage, bring their shows to the
> various
> > races, knowing that their rules and standards would be applied.
> >
> > Also like Monoposto, these clubs could conduct their own series,
> regardless
> > of the sanctioning groups with which they run.
> >
> > I would think that the vintage sanctioning organizations would be
> very
> > responsive to a group which represented hundreds of cars, and which
> could
> > deliver a full grid at events it wishes to attend. It would, at the
> same
> > time, relieve the sanctioning groups of a hell of a lot of work in
> > determining and adjudicating eligibility.
> >
> > Of course, the concept suggests dual, triple, or quadruple
> membership
> > scenaria, which is a drawback. But I know that one group has
> already
> > formed a loose organization of this nature, and HSR, for example,
> has been
> > very receptive to their new, and relatively small, "cartel".
> >
> > Being new to vintage racing, I expect to hear that this has been
> tried,
> > won't work, old idea without merit, etc. But, thought I'd throw it
> out.
> >
> > -Alfred
>
> When I was elected to the Board of Directors of VARAC about 10 years
> ago
> I thought exactly the same thing ...still do but,
> A. the organization exists - VMC
> B. Although it's the best we have, it really doesn't work because no
> Club, VARAC included, will change its rules (or philosophy) to match
> the
> others.
>
> To show this, take a common car type in Vintage Racing and see how you
>
> could prep it the east/mid west say a 59 Bugeye Sprite for example:
> I've
> ranked these in order of originality
> 1. VSCCA - (Club) excepts no cars post '59 but Sprites not eligible
> anyway.
> 2. VARAC - (Club) Bug eye must be 948cc, L-section 13" tires or
> equivalent, no Hoosiers, no Speedwell bonnets, no fibreglass etc. i.e.
> a
> Sprite the way God intended them to be.
> 3. SVRA - (Business) well... the odd 1275 sneaks into a '59 bugeye, -
> Hoosiers ok etc.
> 4. VSCDA - (Club) a certain green and yellow '59 Speedwell that is 1
> sec. slower than a 350GT and 2 sec. slower than a Brabham FB car
> around
> Waterford hills says it all.
> 5. HSR - (Business) - anything goes
>
> I'm not going to open another can of worms by saying which of these is
>
> right (but really #2 is...but I'm biased)
>
> Now, the problem arises with; which one of these organizations would
> budge - the membership of each would leave in droves if their rulebook
>
> were radically changed in either direction, which is perfectly
> understandable.
> The problems arise when racers travel to other groups.
> Guys with cars which really meet the rules (Brian Evan's 948cc Sprite
> for example) travel knowing that although they're going to have fun
> overall racing, they might not have anyone to race with because the
> class competition really isn't in the same class.
> On the other end, there's racers who think that we're a bunch of jerks
>
> because we didn't like their car - after they travelled all that way -
>
> even after reading the regs. sent out with the entry package which
> stated the eligibility rules.
>
> I agree completely that it would be fabulous to have a common set of
> rules - but probably not in this lifetime, on this planet, or with the
>
> current attitiude of many, many Vintage Racers... the faster the
> better,
> originality be damned, I have to finish first regarless.
> I guess that's more than 2 cents worth
> Mike Rosen - 1958 VAY Canada Class Special
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