Alfred,
I can't speak to the rest of the topic, but it has been my experience
in MR that host organizations give you the member price on the entry if
you are a Monoposto member and the event you are entering is a Monoposto
event. You really don't have to join the host organization if you don't
want to. And one organization will accept the license of your home
organization if it is a VMC member organization. Bottom line is that at
least in MR, the entry process is quite seamless, even though you visit
many organizations/clubs during the course of the season. It is very
nice to have a consistant set of rules, and the big variety of venues.
Vaughn
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> From: Alfred Kobacker[SMTP:alfred@ajkco.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 1997 10:13 AM
> To: Brian Evans; vintage-race@autox.team.net
> Subject: Clutch in, shift paradigm, clutch out.
>
> Because vintage racing differs from pro or SCCA amateur racing in that
> the
> cars run with more than one sanctioning group, and because the
> sanctioning
> groups are unlikely to adopt identical policies, what if the race
> groups
> (e.g. group 1,2,3,4,5 cars, etc.) formed individual, formal
> organizations
> which maintained a consistent set of standards, and to which everyone
> who
> wished to race in that group belonged. Not unlike Monoposto, these
> groups
> could then, with considerable leverage, bring their shows to the
> various
> races, knowing that their rules and standards would be applied.
>
> Also like Monoposto, these clubs could conduct their own series,
> regardless
> of the sanctioning groups with which they run.
>
> I would think that the vintage sanctioning organizations would be very
> responsive to a group which represented hundreds of cars, and which
> could
> deliver a full grid at events it wishes to attend. It would, at the
> same
> time, relieve the sanctioning groups of a hell of a lot of work in
> determining and adjudicating eligibility.
>
> Of course, the concept suggests dual, triple, or quadruple membership
> scenaria, which is a drawback. But I know that one group has already
> formed a loose organization of this nature, and HSR, for example, has
> been
> very receptive to their new, and relatively small, "cartel".
>
> Being new to vintage racing, I expect to hear that this has been
> tried,
> won't work, old idea without merit, etc. But, thought I'd throw it
> out.
>
> -Alfred
>
> At 08:46 AM 11/21/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >At 09:45 PM 20/11/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >>JWoesvra@aol.com wrote:
> >>> How about the relevancy of things like...
> >>>
> >>> 1. Crank-fire, distributorless ignitions
> >>hopefully not on vintage production cars like SVRA group 3
> >
> >I don't think you should even be allowed to run dual point Mallory
> >distributors! Lucas or nothing!
> >>
> >>> 2. Alternate transmissions
> >>Boy, I'd sure like to have a Datsun 5 speed in my TR3 but it doesnt
> feel
> >>right
> >
> >Ditto, unless the original tranny is replaced with a functionally
> identical
> >part, as in rib-case tranny's in Spridgets.
> >
> >>
> >>> 3. Dry sumps
> >>see number 1
> >
> >Unless YOUR SPECIFIC CAR was run that way in the original time
> period, and
> >you can prove it. Some were, like special works cars for Le Mans, or
> something.
> >
> >>
> >>> 4. Roller rockers and cams
> >>I'd prefer not and haven't done it yet myself. Lots of folks have
> and
> >>maybe it buys them some reliability that's worth the investment.
> >
> >These only buy reliability at the new and improved higher rev's that
> they
> >can turn! New "stock" parts are available for just about every car,
> so
> >fatigue life isn't the issue here.
> >
> >>
> >>> 5. Radial vs bias-ply tires
> >>Boy, talk about emotional - it was the hot topic in SVRA group 3 at
> >>Mid-ohio last summer. There needs to be some peace between the race
> >>organizers so that folks can take there cars to most any event and
> >>race. It took me 5 weekends to figure out how to drive the Hoosiers
> on
> >>my TR3. I did that so I could race with SVRA, others just walked
> away
> >>and weren't willing to either go thru the agony or take what they
> feel
> >>is a loss of performance. I wouldn't enjoy needing to switch back
> and
> >>forth from one race to another so I just take my lumps at an HSR
> race
> >>while I have a good time driving my car. On the other hand, I dont'
> >>mind running 5th or 6th if I cant afford to be first.
> >
> >In VARAC, we don't even allow the Hoosiers! We have to run 450L
> section
> >tires on our productions sports cars, and they are 3 -5 seconds a lap
> slower
> >than Hoosiers, at least! ( Hence I won't be running my midget with
> VARAC
> >once my tires wear out, which is a fairly idle threat since the tires
> seem
> >to be hard as rocks and last forever...)
> >>
> >>> 6. Aftermarket heads and blocks
> >>
> >>Please, no, not in the old prod car group. I feel guilty enough
> with my
> >>carillo rods.
> >
> >Even the rods are OK in my book - most everybody could have run them
> or
> >their equivalent even in the mid - late fifties. And rods, cranks,
> etc, are
> >a legitimate fatigue life wear item, in my book. Later blocks and
> heads are
> >ok only if they are functionally identical to the early ones. And I
> really
> >mean identical!
> >>
> >>> 7. Your favorite issue............
> >
> >Getting parity between racing organizations so that when I get
> whipped on
> >the track, I know that I was in an even fight! I'm talking tires and
> >suspension mods more than anything else, and I'm willing to put up
> with
> >weird engines as long as people are honest about capacity.
> >
> >
> >
> >That's my dimes worth! Brian Evans, VARAC.
> >
> >
>
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