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RE: FJ20 conversion?

To: "Seal, Marc" <MSeal@datatec.com>,
Subject: RE: FJ20 conversion?
From: Don Miller <turbospl311@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 19:52:24 -0700 (PDT)
I would almost kill for that kinda mileage. At the
hillclimb on Memorial Day, 2.2 mile hill, 2:06 in time
5 runs used 6 gallons of fuel.

Don (mileage, we don't need no stinkin' mileage)
Miller
68 turbo V-6
Meridian, ID

--- "Seal, Marc" <MSeal@datatec.com> wrote:
> Actually Larry some of the guys I have talked to
> with sentra's with 300hp or
> better sr20det are still getting 25 to 30 mpg when
> they keep their foot out
> of it, when they are playing it drops to about
> 15mpg.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dziuba, Larry [mailto:LarryD@pengrowth.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 5:14 PM
> To: 'Seal, Marc'; 'Don Miller'; 'sidney raper';
> csp311@telia.com;
> DemonTSi@aol.com; datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: FJ20 conversion?
> 
> 
> This all sounds like fun but calling most a street
> or daily driver would
> require an attached trailer with a spare gas tank. 
> That would help keep it
> on the ground though.  8^).  Larry.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Seal, Marc [mailto:MSeal@datatec.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 10:36 AM
> To: 'Don Miller'; 'sidney raper'; csp311@telia.com;
> DemonTSi@aol.com;
> datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: FJ20 conversion?
> 
> 
> I  plan on doing the black top sr20det conversion it
> comes with 225hp can be
> massaged rather easily to 300 to 325 and it is
> light, and I can use the
> 200sx 5spd (still considering rear end options). I
> think that is plenty to
> scare myself with and do alittle boxster/miata/vette
> eating.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Miller [mailto:turbospl311@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 11:31 AM
> To: Seal, Marc; 'sidney raper'; csp311@telia.com;
> DemonTSi@aol.com;
> datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: FJ20 conversion?
> 
> 
> I can vouch for that! 318 on the dyno last year to
> the
> rear wheels and I can spin the 12" slicks when ever
> I
> so choose. Also, I have learned you don't shift hard
> from 1st to 2nd. Has a tendency to break spider
> gears
> into little bits!
> 
> Don (I now carry a spare rear end in the trailer)
> Miller
> 68 V-6 Turbo
> Meridian, ID
> --- "Seal, Marc" <MSeal@datatec.com> wrote:
> > 500hp in a roadster you would have a hell of a
> time
> > getting it to the ground
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sidney raper [mailto:spl310@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 11:02 AM
> > To: csp311@telia.com; DemonTSi@aol.com;
> > datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: FJ20 conversion?
> > 
> > 
> > Hmmmmm.....Interesting.  I guess that the old
> addage
> > comes to mind in this 
> > instance "There's no replacement for displacement"
> 
> > Stuff a big block in 
> > there (I dunno the numbers for GMs and Mopars)
> like
> > a Ford 427 side oiler 
> > with a brace of 4 weber IDAs, full race cam,
> headers
> > into side pipes and you
> > 
> > can beat the 500 hp number.  Of course, the frame
> > will twist into a pretzle 
> > after you dump the clutch a few times....
> > 
> > Sid
> > 
> > 
> > >From: Thomas - Sweden <csp311@telia.com>
> > >Reply-To: Thomas - Sweden <csp311@telia.com>
> > >To: DemonTSi@aol.com,
> > datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net
> > >Subject: Re: FJ20 conversion?
> > >Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 13:16:59 +0200
> > >
> > >A few things to check if it's riceboy power or
> > >accurate figures. Most numbers are rounded off.
> > >
> > >500 hp at the wheels would require an airflow
> > >about 2000 kg/hr. of air into the engine.
> > >
> > >500 hp at the wheels would require minimum
> > >of four 650 cc injectors.
> > >
> > >500 hp at the wheels would require a Garret T04BB
> > >with T76 trim running at ~30 psi or any other
> turbo
> > >with equal flow capacity for 75% efficiency.
> > >
> > >500 hp at the wheels at 6500 rpm is 540 Nm at the
> > >same rpm. SR20DET peak torque with bolt-on
> > >aftermarket parts is somewhere around 4000 rpm
> > >where 2/3 of max. hp is reasonable to expect
> > >for a daily driven car. 340 hp/4000 rpm is 598
> Nm.
> > >
> > >So I searched for engines with similar power
> > >output.
> > >
> > >Nissan R390 GT1 have a 3495 cc V8 with twin
> > >turbos. 550 hp/6800 rpm and 637 Nm/4400 rpm
> > >Let's say the drivetrain use 10% of the flywheel
> > >power. That give us 495 hp and 573 Nm at the
> > >wheels. This is the car Nissan built for the 24
> > hour
> > >LeMans race 1998-99. 0-60 mph in 3.9 seconds
> > >and 1/4 mile 11.9 seconds.
> > >
> > >An SR20DE (non-turbo) touring car racing engine
> > >makes 320 hp/8500 rpm. This engine can not
> > >be driven on the street as it will die below 4000
> > rpm.
> > >
> > >Last example. Nissan Skyline GT-R Blitz racing
> car.
> > >2750 cc inline six. 850 hp/9300 rpm and 961 Nm
> > >at 7500 rpm. Let's say the drivetrain use 10% of
> > >the flywheel power on this too. That give us 765
> hp
> > >and 865 Nm at the wheels. I dont think this one
> can
> > >be used as a daily driver by looking at the rpm
> > where
> > >the power is available.
> > >
> > >Porsche 911 RS-2, 3600 cc with 462 hp/5700 rpm
> > >and 620 Nm/3500 rpm with 28 psi boost pressure
> > >is not close enough. Reduce the power with 10%
> > >to compare with the others. 416 hp & 558 Nm.
> > >So it's back to the drawing board for Porsche.
> > >
> > >Thomas
> > >
> > >
> > >DemonTSi@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > In a message dated 06/04/2001 6:29:48 PM
> Pacific
> > Daylight Time,
> > > > adfox@iprimus.com.au writes:
> > > >
> > > > > Although not
> > > > > quite as capable of being worked for
> outright
> > power, the SR20det would
> > 
> > >be a
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hmm, I'd have to argue with that point.. I've
> > got a few friends putting 
> > >out
> > > > near 400hp to the wheels on their turbocharged
> > SR20DEs (mind you, these
> > > > started out as high-compression, non-turbo
> > motors!!). This is with 
> > >completely
> > > > stock internals, and just bolt on upgrades.
> > Folks with mildly-built 
> > >(i.e.
> > > > forged pistons, but everything else stock)
> SR20s
> > are putting out around 
> > >500hp
> > > > to the wheels. These are all daily driven cars
> > too...still boggles my 
> > >mind.
> > > >
> > > > \/ /\ /\/
> > > > www.sr20parts.com - updated 5.28.01
> > > > Ares Engineering - coming soon(er or later)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> 
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