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Subject: [Fot] Brake balance bar
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 10:26:17 -0500
References: <CAAGAaPVob3j=CpZkH5-0fTpgGMh95LXDFoa5ivObTh2gaFCcRw@mail.gmail.com> <C4AD3D41-AB0B-45DB-B426-7D9371A27AB5@att.net>
On a related note, the Morgan Plus 4 I used to race seemed to have too much 
braking force in the rear.  There was a hydraulic brake balance lever but that 
had already been adjusted all the way toward greater front brake bias when I 
bought the car.  I replaced the rear wheel cylinders with 3/4? bore TR6 items 
(perfect fit to replace the 7/8? Morgan items). Unfortunately it didn?t cure 
that particular problem, but it does show another way to tune the force of your 
rear brakes.

Duncan Charlton
1121 Lower Elgin Rd
Elgin, Texas 78621
USA



> On May 27, 2017, at 7:46 AM, Paul Ricco via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> PJ,
> 
> Yes on a suggestion.  We have set up several of these over the years.  
> Assuming that everything else in the brake system is plumbed and working 
> correctly, what you have going on with the balance bar is an indication that 
> you do not have the right size master cylinder bores for the car.  One of the 
> many advantages of the system that your car has, includes being able to 
> select the right size master cylinders for the weight distribution of the 
> car, differences between the front/rear wheel cylinders and the type of brake 
> feel that you want.  Furthermore, the front and rear masters do not have to 
> be the same size (They seldom should be).  The balance bar is meant to be for 
> FINE adjustments.  It sounds to me like it is being used for a much bigger 
> imbalance in the system.  That will not work well.
> 
> If it is a Tilton pedal assembly, they have a worksheet on their website.  
> You can fill it out and submit it to their engineering department via email.  
> In about 3 days, you will get an email back with their recommendation for 
> master cylinders.  They will want to know what type of pedal feel that you 
> want.  They do not charge for this service.  The larger the bores, the more 
> pedal pressure you will have.
> 
> Pegasus Auto Racing Supply keeps all of the master cylinders in stock and 
> they are very easy to change (provided the pedal assembly is installed 
> correctly).  It is really a very easy problem to address.  I would guess that 
> when the assembly was installed, that someone skipped the step of finding out 
> what size masters are correct for the car.
> 
> Good Luck,
> 
> Paul Ricco
> 
> 
>> On May 26, 2017, at 10:28 PM, McKearn McKearn via Fot <fot at 
>> autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all.
>>  Trying to get the GT6 back on the road after a long winter in retirement. 
>> This car has a racecar style braking system with dual master cylinders and a 
>> balance bar for tuning. Last fall I nearly crashed when exiting an off ramp 
>> and had NO brakes...
>> After renewing rotors and pads and bleeding the brakes I have discovered 
>> that the balance bar is sticking and flipping back and forth . Actually up 
>> and down would be more accurate. It seams that the rear brakes require less 
>> travel of the master cylinder so the front master cylinder moves much more. 
>> This is causing the balance bar to achieve quite alot of angularity. As it 
>> moves in and out it sometimes flips up or down and sometimes it actually 
>> sticks and refuses to push the left (front) master cylinder in. This seams 
>> strange to me as this has worked fine for several years.Any suggestions??
>>                 Thanks.  P.J.
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