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Re: Nitropropane

To: Dick J <lsr_man@yahoo.com>, John Beckett <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>,
Subject: Re: Nitropropane
From: Dick J <lsr_man@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 06:38:22 -0700 (PDT)
--- Dick J <lsr_man@yahoo.com> wrote:
> John, This is a site that had some info on
> nitro
> propane.  They sell smaller retail amounts and
> are not that far from you. 
> 
http://user.aol.com/FHSOil/FHSfaq.html#MSDS

> Dick J
> 
> 
> --- John Beckett <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
> wrote:
> > Could be wrong here but I don't think there
> is
> > a list of legal fuels for
> > fuel class. Just legal gasoline for the gas
> > class.
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Hyatt Engineering Ltd."
> > <Hyatt-Engineering-Ltd@fuse.net>
> > To: "John Beckett"
> > <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>;
> > <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 6:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: Nitropropane
> > 
> > 
> > > John,
> > >
> > > Nitropropane is manufactured by:
> > > Angus Chemical Company
> > > 1500 E. Lake Cook Road
> > > Buffalo Grove Road, IL 60089
> > > Phone: 708-215-8600
> > > But they do not sell is small retail
> > quantities.  However Angus is also
> > the
> > > major producer of nitromethane, so most of
> > the folks selling nitro buy it
> > > from Angus and could also get the
> > nitropropane for you.
> > > It's ability to be mixed with gas would
> seem
> > to make it desirable for
> > anyone
> > > wanting to run in both gas and fuel classes
> > with minimum modifications (if
> > > it was on the list of legal fuels).
> > >
> > > Greg
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Beckett"
> > <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
> > > To: "Hyatt Engineering Ltd."
> > <Hyatt-Engineering-Ltd@fuse.net>;
> > > <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 1:57 PM
> > > Subject: Fuel
> > >
> > >
> > > >     Greg
> > > >
> > > >     Have read some material on
> > nitropropane. I understand that it mixes
> > > well
> > > > with gasoline. Have only heard of it
> being
> > used in the 15% to 20% range,
> > > but
> > > > don't know why you couldn't uses it at
> 50%.
> > There may be some big
> > > > differences between nitro and gas vs.
> nitro
> > and alcohol that has lead
> > all
> > > > the racers to run nitromethane today.
> > > >     In small percentages may actually be
> > easier to run your vehicle with
> > > > gasoline rather than alcohol. So where
> can
> > one find nitropropane?
> > > >
> > > >     John Beckett, LSR #79
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Hyatt Engineering Ltd."
> > <Hyatt-Engineering-Ltd@fuse.net>
> > > > To: "John Beckett"
> > <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>;
> > <ARDUNDOUG@aol.com>;
> > > > <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 9:40 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: MSD Detonation Detector and
> > Cockpit Display Meter
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > John,
> > > > > Back in the 50s some of the producers
> of
> > nitro proposed using it in
> > fuel
> > > > for
> > > > > on-highway vehicles, and did a lot of
> > research into controlling knock
> > to
> > > > > make it streatable.  They used lab type
> > "detonation detectors", high
> > > > > frequency accelerometers  with data
> > acquisition systems, to observe
> > the
> > > > > knock.  The conclusions were that
> > nitromethane should always be used
> > in
> > > > > blends with nitropropane (usually
> around
> > 50/50). The nitropropane
> > helped
> > > > > enormously in controlling the knock,
> for
> > reasons that were not quite
> > > > > understood.
> > > > > While I bring this up primarily to
> point
> > out that properly calibrated
> > > > > detonation detectors can certainly be
> > useful with nitrous, (I suspect
> > > the
> > > > > commercially available units are just
> > calibrated for more conventional
> > > > > applications, or are sized incorrectly
> > and are "clipping" on the high
> > > > > amplitude content of the spectrum), it
> > prompts a few questions and
> > > > > observations of my own:
> > > > > Why is nitropropane not included in the
> > list of legal fuels ? By all
> > > > > accounts I can find it is much more
> > stable.  While it has a lower
> > oxygen
> > > > > content than nitromethane and makes
> less
> > power when run undiluted,
> > > anyone
> > > > > running a mix could just use more of
> it.
> > > > > Does anyone run undiluted or lightly
> > diluted nitro on the salt ?  Most
> > > of
> > > > > the folks I have spoken to run weak
> > mixes, under 25% nitro, but I do
> > not
> > > > > know how typical this is.
> > > > > Greg
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "John Beckett"
> > <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
> > > > > To: <ARDUNDOUG@aol.com>;
> > <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 8:21 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: MSD Detonation Detector
> and
> > Cockpit Display Meter
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Doug
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From what little I know about these
> > things they work great on
> > street
> > > > > > cars...are marginal on race
> cars...and
> > I would guess about useless
> > > with
> > > > > > nitro.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John Beckett, LSR #79
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: <ARDUNDOUG@aol.com>
> > > > > > To: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 3:55 PM
> > > > > > Subject: MSD Detonation Detector and
> > Cockpit Display Meter
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Group,
> > > > > > >     Has any body out there used the
> > MSD detonation sensor on nitro
> > > > that
> > > > > > has a
> > > > > > > readout in the cockpit for the
> driver
> > to see. Chuck Salmen has one
> > > on
> > > > > his
> > > > > > > $um-Fun gas roadster and he likes
> it.
> 
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