Tim, Respectfully, please remember you cant "take out a current
SCTA/BNI record" with a pass at Maxton. 132 speed trap is FAR from a
5280 ft speed trap. Joe :)
tim schoeny wrote:
> Ok lets try a real-world test of this idea this Spring.I'll try to take out a
> current SCTA/BNI record that was set at B'ville-but I'll do it at Maxton by at
> least 1% and make a backup run(in the same direction of course) and then
> interested parties can debate what this all means in the context of a "world
> standard" record attempt.Anybody interested?
> Tim Schoeny
>
> John Beckett wrote:
>
> > List
> >
> > Don't see how this idea can get any less threatening than this.
> >
> > John Beckett
> > #79, Worlds Fastest Chevette
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joe Amo" <jkamo@rapidnet.com>
> > To: "Malcolm Pittwood" <MPittwood@compuserve.com>
> > Cc: "LSR List" <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 8:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: Recap on 'World Records Topic'
> >
> > > Malcom,
> >
> > > I especially like
> > >
> > > """Any new single worldwide body ( a streamlined group with little
> > bureaucracy
> > > and minimal overheads) would not take over from any existing group or
> > > organisation and NONE of the records set under conditions used in the past
> > > years - 8, 60 or 100 - would be thrown out or dismissed in any way.
> > Indeed
> > > the current bodies may continue their historical methods for ever more.
> > As
> > > long as racers want to run to them they will continue."""
> > >
> > >
> > > Joe :)
> > >
> > > Malcolm Pittwood wrote:
> > >
> > > > Tim and the List,
> > > >
> > > > With so many mailings and a few 'offshoot' topics I thought I should try
> > to
> > > > summarise to date what I understand the aim/desire/wish/dream of all
> > this
> > > > chat was about. I present my summary on the basis of a few statements
> > of
> > > > 'fact' (well they may just have been said long enough so as to be
> > accepted
> > > > as ...)
> > > >
> > > > * The FIA as a Governing Body is considered by the majority of land
> > speed
> > > > racers to be unable to meet the needs of racers who wish to claim Worlds
> > > > Best Speeds or 'World Records'. The FIA rules do not embrace all types
> > of
> > > > race vehicles.
> > > >
> > > > * The FIM as a Governing body is only slightly better at meeting
> > two/three
> > > > wheel racers needs, but they demand a high $ price for sanctioning
> > attempts
> > > > and approving records.
> > > >
> > > > * The FIA and FIM Land Speed Records are (after 100 years) seen to
> > remain
> > > > reputable record achievements accepted world wide, because of these
> > > > organisations regulations for making an attempt.
> > > >
> > > > * The SCTA/BNI has had to run most events at Bonneville to meet racers
> > > > needs and to fit with the salt conditions and these do not accord with
> > any
> > > > other groups 'standards'. The speeds are accurate but are not
> > comparable
> > > > with FIA/FIM or, to some extent, even Bonneville's own past rules
> > records.
> > > >
> > > > * The SCTA/BNI is a National American group that for 60 years has
> > organised
> > > > Land Speed Racing Events and Land Speed Record Attempts.
> > > >
> > > > * The USFRA organises a US racing event on the salt flats and their
> > > > records, classes etc are attuned with the SCTA.
> > > >
> > > > * The ECTA is a more recent group that organises Land Speed Racing
> > events
> > > > at Maxton in the USA (on the east coast) to rules that are appropriate
> > for
> > > > that airfield location and to suit US National Car and bike
> > classifications
> > > > (SCTA).
> > > >
> > > > * The Motor Sport Association of the UK governs British National
> > attempts
> > > > (and International FIA attempts) to the operating standards of the FIA,
> > but
> > > > nationally over shorter timed distances ie Less than a mile or kilo).
> > Most
> > > > UK racers are used to organising private record attempts for single
> > > > vehicles with all that is entailed and the big # sterling bills.
> > > >
> > > > * The DLRA in Australia organises an event for Land Speed Racers at Lake
> > > > Gairdner using regulations based on SCTA/BNI rules and standards.
> > > >
> > > > * In the recent past, the Land Speed Authority (LSA) was created in the
> > USA
> > > > to be an International accrediting body for Land Speed Attempts (2 or
> > more
> > > > wheels). This body was not accepted by the FIA and did not gain much
> > racer
> > > > support and exists in name only today. Its influence and recognition
> > did
> > > > not spread beyond the USA.
> > > >
> > > > As we are just entering the 21st Century, the idea was suggested that
> > 'open
> > > > minds' on the LSR LIst could arrive at a Land Speed Attempt STANDARD
> > that
> > > > could be used anywhere in the world. Any record set anywhere to this
> > > > standard, if it was the fastest, would be accepted by racers as a 'World
> > > > Record'.
> > > >
> > > > The minds of the LSR List have put forward many comments on the topic.
> > The
> > > > chat has reached the stage (my assessment) when if there is ever going
> > to
> > > > be a Unified Speed Record community then Standards have to be developed,
> > > > put in print, discussed and accepted. This will take time and much
> > effort.
> > > >
> > > > Any new single worldwide body ( a streamlined group with little
> > bureaucracy
> > > > and minimal overheads) would not take over from any existing group or
> > > > organisation and NONE of the records set under conditions used in the
> > past
> > > > years - 8, 60 or 100 - would be thrown out or dismissed in any way.
> > Indeed
> > > > the current bodies may continue their historical methods for ever more.
> > As
> > > > long as racers want to run to them they will continue.
> > > >
> > > > IF a new body is formed that meets the wishes of speed racers around the
> > > > World, then in years to come it will maintain a full list of World
> > Record
> > > > Speeds relevant to this century and accepted by the racers themselves.
> > > >
> > > > As any organisation will be faced with costs ($s or #s or Lira etc..)
> > then
> > > > fees (dues) will have to be paid (unless an overall commercial sponsor
> > is
> > > > acceptable). Even with a great volunteer effort nothing can be free.
> > > > However the amounts should be low as it will be a STANDARDS Authority
> > not a
> > > > club and organisers of events/attempts anywhere across the world will be
> > > > asked to contribute something (pay!!).
> > > >
> > > > Tim wanted to know the benefits and to know specific answers - here are
> > > > mine:
> > > >
> > > > Benefit: - Car Speed Racers anywhere in the world running cars of a type
> > > > that are not streamliners (say 97%+) would be able to set World Records
> > to
> > > > an Internationally accepted Standard. (Bikers would gain less as FIM
> > > > recognise many types of machine).
> > > > Who will lose? Only those who do not wish to recognise that the World
> > > > extends beyond their own country when their claims to being the Worlds
> > > > fastest are no longer accepted.
> > > > Will ECTA/SCTA/USFRA accept a new standard? I cannot answer that as I
> > am
> > > > not a member of any of these organisations or the clubs within them. If
> > > > they do not embrace the new Standards then that is their committees
> > choice.
> > > > Nothing will be forced on them.
> > > > Do racers want this? I do not know - we have not voted (another poll
> > for
> > > > landracing.com, Jonathan). I would think that 21st century racers would
> > > > like to run to 21st century standards. If we do not set something down
> > in
> > > > print now, no one will ever know. I would have thought that many people
> > > > would like to have their efforts recognised worldwide.
> > > > More Rules? & Higher Costs? Perhaps different rules for some already
> > > > racing but not more. I would favour less rules than any group before,
> > but
> > > > that may not be possible. Higher costs? There will be a cost to run
> > any
> > > > organising group (unless it takes on commercial sponsorship) and those
> > > > competing to its rules will foot the bill. However, these costs may be
> > > > instead of paying money to others, it will depend on the circumstances
> > > > around the World. If an event can operate to 'all' standards then the
> > > > racers costs will not increase.
> > > >
> > > > Malcolm Pittwood, Derby, England.
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