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Re: Ladies Classes

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Subject: Re: Ladies Classes
From: "Dave Whitworth" <dave@wcsllc.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 13:22:30 -0500
> When they run in the same cars as the men and go substantially slower, and
> then stand up and collect first place and championship trophies, I think
> what a hollow victory it is - just like I do with the men collecting
> trophies in poorly contested classes.
>
> When they do it year after year, I see their stultified growth and
> improvement, think back to the demonstrated fallacy of "separate but
> equal" categorizations in general, and shake my head at the waste of
> potential for paucity of achievement - just like I do with men.

How much time do you spend worrying about other classes and their
competition levels?  How exactly do you determine if a APL time is faster
than your GS (or whatever class you may run in) time?

I guess under your opinion, anyone who runs in the rain, or in the 40 degree
first heat, while you enjoy 80 degree dry courses, just isn't worthy?

Maybe worrying about what YOU are doing and how YOU are running may serve
your autocrossing development better?

DaveW



----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Stevens" <Kevin_Stevens@pursued-with.net>
To: <Smokerbros@aol.com>
Cc: <autox@autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: Ladies Classes


> On Sat, 7 Jul 2001 Smokerbros@aol.com wrote:
>
> > What needs to change is attitude.  We need to support women, whatever
their
> > choice in classes is.  When Mary and Lynn ran against each other for the
> > F/S-L National championship, NO one could say that was an easy win for
either
> > of them!  There's no easy victory if you're running against Katie Elder
or
> > Kelly, Stacy Reitmeir, Kay Bailey, Shauna Marinus (as a whole bunch of
ASP
> > guys found out), whether they are running in Ladies or open classes.
Let's
> > just work on our attitudes and let the women decide where they want to
run!
> >
> > Charlie Davis
>
> Ok, here's my attitude:  when women run as fast or faster than I do, I
> give them all credit for their performance while wishing they would go
> away and die in a corner - just like I do with the men who run faster than
> I do!
>
> When they run in the same cars as the men and go substantially slower, and
> then stand up and collect first place and championship trophies, I think
> what a hollow victory it is - just like I do with the men collecting
> trophies in poorly contested classes.
>
> When they do it year after year, I see their stultified growth and
> improvement, think back to the demonstrated fallacy of "separate but
> equal" categorizations in general, and shake my head at the waste of
> potential for paucity of achievement - just like I do with men.
>
> Which part needs improvement, Charlie?
>
> KeS
>
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