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Re: Thoughts on new B-stock

To: "Burns, James B." <James.Burns@jhuapl.edu>
Subject: Re: Thoughts on new B-stock
From: "Joe Goeke" <teamnet@hedlygoeke.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 20:21:49 -0800
A great addition.  Also a perfect fit as to the type, size and such.
---JHG
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Burns, James B." <James.Burns@jhuapl.edu>
To: "Joe Goeke" <teamnet@hedlygoeke.com>
Cc: "autox" <autox@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 12:26 PM
Subject: RE: Thoughts on new B-stock


> Good points, Joe.  Thanks.  I've always thought of spec classes as bad,
but
> you've got me thinking that maybe they aren't so bad if they are
affordable
> and have good participation.  Do you think the introduction of the MR2
> Spyder into the Miata class has helped, hurt, or made no difference to the
> participation of that class?
>
> Brad B.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joe Goeke [mailto:teamnet@hedlygoeke.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 3:05 PM
> > To: Burns, James B.; autox
> > Cc: gs96@sgi.net
> > Subject: Re: Thoughts on new B-stock
> >
> >
> > I could see this coming a mile away ;-), even from last year
> > this time ;-)
> >
> > Before we all go shouting "the s2000 is to fast for BS"
> > chant, let's look at
> > the situation here.  First of all, on course like San Diego
> > and Texas, where
> > the courses are fast (ie, lots of upper 2nd gear) and long,
> > the s2000 is
> > going to really shine.  In these cases, yes the car will run
> > times similar
> > to the C4, and dominate over the older BS cars.  The problem
> > is, these are
> > not normal courses, and when you look at results of other events, like
> > nationals, you will see the s2000 has a hard time keeping up.  Second,
> > every one seems to forget just how competitive the 968 still
> > is.  Look at
> > Koslaks results in the two years he ran the 968 against s2000
> > and Boxsters.
> >
> > If you are stuck on San Diego and El Toro results, look and
> > see that Anna
> > Goeke running in the open class was only 1.2 seconds behind
> > me in a Boxster
> > on Sunday, and I had a stellar day.  She had the 3rd fastest
> > time, faster
> > than Andy McKey in his S2000.  She normally runs 1.5 behind
> > me in the same
> > car when she has a very good day.  Point being, she did
> > better relative to
> > me in a Boxster than she would have in the s2000, and who
> > knows how well
> > Andy would have done in the Boxster.  Point again, all the normal top
> > drivers were in s2000, so how do you compare.
> >
> > Also, AS has on/off rain on Saturday, and ran in the _first_
> > run group.  BS
> > ran _last_ and had perfectly dry conditions.
> >
> > Finally, at El Toro, we once again had very fast courses,
> > faster than San
> > Diego (can you say 3rd in a s2000?).  All the fast S2000
> > drivers were on
> > Hoosiers, and the AS guys were in tired C4's on Kumho's, and
> > as most of us
> > know, the Hoosier is faster on concrete ;-), so let's look at some C4
> > drivers with fresher cars and Hoosiers on concrete before we
> > do to much
> > comparing.
> >
> > Conclusion:  The current BS is competitive for the s2000,
> > Boxster and the
> > 968 on _most_ courses (check the data, it's there!). You will
> > always have
> > course dependencies, so this is normal.  This is still pretty
> > diversified
> > for any class, and yes the previous cars are pretty much un
> > competitive, but
> > this is somewhat normal evolution of the classes.  As for the
> > new AS, yes
> > it's a one car class, which is very affordable and already has great
> > participation.  Is this bad?  I say give it some time for
> > other SS cars, or
> > new cars to be put with the C4 and see if we can get this
> > class competitive,
> > and we will see this class surpass BS easily.
> >
> > ---JHG
> > Who has a s2000 and Boxster, so it's no difference to me
> > where the put the
> > s2000.

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