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Re: [TR] TR4A Engine Rebuild Update - Round 5

To: guy@genfiniti.com, triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A Engine Rebuild Update - Round 5
From: ZinkZ10C@aol.com
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:54:02 EDT
In a message dated 4/8/06 7:05:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, guy@genfiniti.com 
writes:

<< 1. I ordered a replacement set of liners, piston and rings from Moss.
 Specifically I ordered the 87mm liners, which came with Grant 86mm
 rings.  Is this correct?  >>

The piston rings are sized to the bore, so a 87 mm ID liner should have a 
87mm OD rated piston ring.  Rings have a free measurement larger than the bore 
so 
measuring one really won't help.

Put a ring in the bore and measure the end gap.  I you have 86mm rings in a 
87 bore the end gap will be huge.    87mm * 3.1416 = 273.3185 circumference .   
  86 mm * 3.1416 = 270.1769    The difference between the two =  3.1416 mm 
extra gap in addition to the end gap required for your motor.  

<<It seems so to me.  If the liners have an  inside diameter slightly larger 
than the piston outside diameter, then the rings take up the space, forming 
the airtight seal between them. >>

That's the basics.  There are some pressure dynamics involved and some oil 
control  action.  Piston to bore clearance varies from motor to motor,  A 
piston 
diameter of 3.800 inch  ( 96.52 mm)  would have a max clearance of .003 inch 
( .0762 mm)  This clearance is calculated on bore size ( larger bore more 
clearance) , engine type ( air cooled has larger clearance) piston coatings 
(coatings can run reduce clearance ) and piston type ( forged pistons grow more 
with 
heat so they need larger cold clearance ) 


<< Having never done this  before, I feel motivated to get this right the
 first time.  I will place the rings on the piston, then place the piston
 in the liner.  The piston should travel in the liner with some friction,
 but not too much.  Can someone please point me to a source that
 discusses the principle of this liner/piston/rings system?  I need to
 get an idea of how tight is too tight? >>

It really depends on liner finish and ring tension.  A rough finish on the 
bore will have a high friction fit.  Some people use a fish scale to measure 
piston ring drag when they are experimenting with ring tension.  A race motor 
will have less drag than a people motor since oil consumption is a lower 
priority 
especially during closed or light throttle.  A people motor should have 
piston ring tension in the high push with 2 fingers range.  ( this is after the 
piston clears the ring compressor tool and before the rod bearing hits the 
crank. 
)

I just put a Olds 307 motor together for my oval track car, it was honed by 
the machine shop.  The oil expander rings were modified by cutting 1/2 a zig 
zag off and reforming the end.  The 2 upper rings were stock production items. 
piston pressure was in the mid 1 finger push range.  With 6 of 8 pistons in the 
motor I could still turn the crank by grabbing the crank snout.

As you may have guessed, oil rings are high friction items.

Harold


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