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Prior comment...mentioned the Optima battery... Odesseys are my pref.
AGMs are the only way to go when not used regularly/seasonally.
Yes, they are more expensive. I've had one running for over 11 years
now. THAT particular battery has also seen at least three totla
discharges to where the starter wouldn't even click, and it still holds
a charge to this day.
Lead acid (wet plate) batteries have a self discharge rate NOT designed
for non-repetitive regular use. AGMs are closer to 'storage' batteries
with a much higher current destiny and MUCH lower self discharge rate.
anyway.... to the point..... if you fully charge an AGM battery, and
disconnect it from the car electronics. You should be able to go a year
or two without starting or charging and the car will start without issue.
BTDT for years now. One of my cars hadn't been started (let alone
uncovered) for nearly 3 years. The Odessey battery (a 925 size) was
still sitting at 12.4V and the car started without issue.
Ditto on the float charger comments. BUT.... They CAN be left on but
NOT when you have the rest of the car still connected. The Juniors are
trash. They see that 'trickle load' of the car, as a need to charge the
battery.
Get a full tender or better yet a newer style digitally controlled tender.
jfft
ptegler
On 12/25/2020 7:11 PM, Jim Henningsen wrote:
> I have had same issues with battery tender jr. Â They cook batteries if
> left on too long. Youâ??d think a company would figure this stuff out.
> Jim Henningsen
>
>> On Dec 25, 2020, at 7:00 PM, Rye Livingston <ryel@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>  For what itâ??s worth, here is an opinion from to experts I was
>> surprised to hear. Â One is a Porsche mechanic whoâ??s been in the
>> business for 30+ years. Â The Interstate battery had died and even
>> pumped out some white power at the end, out a breather tube from the
>> battery. Â I cleaned it all up well, worried about battery acid in the
>> front truck. Â I went to the shop, heâ??s an Interstate distributor as
>> well, and bought a new battery and told him what happened, and that
>> Iâ??d had the battery connected to a Battery Tender Jr. Â He told me
>> that even that brand, which is good, is really not good to leave on
>> all the time, and it will cook the battery. Â He recommends putting it
>> on for a week or two, then disconnecting for a week or two, and
>> repeat. Â Well thatâ??s a pain.
>>
>> Then in my Airstream trailer which has two 12 volt deep cycle
>> batteries, Iâ??ve read that the power converter that comes with the
>> trailer also isnâ??t designed to leave plugged in all the time and it
>> will cook the batteries, which did happen. Â I tried using a Battery
>> Tender Jr on that but it couldnâ??t deal with 2 batteries. Â I was then
>> told about an upgrade for the Airsteam power converter on Amazon,
>> about $200 or so, which I installed and it does manage the float and
>> it can be left plugged in for months and months no problem.
>>
>> So be careful with Battery Tenders. Â I have two Battery Tender Jrs
>> and four Die Hard battery tenders for multiple cars, Kubota tractor
>> and a boat. Â Just be careful how long you leave them plugged in and
>> check the water level if itâ??s not a gel battery. Â I have an Optima in
>> my Triumph and Kubota.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Rye
>>
>>> On Dec 25, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Alex & Janet Thomson
>>>
>>> Are the batteries still connected to their cars? Maybe there is a
>>> slight draw on the TR6. Our TR6 took the whole summer off because it
>>> needs a new wiring harness. There were some wires that had let the
>>> smoke out! After I drove it into winter storage, I disconnected the
>>> ground cable and noticed that there was a tiny spark! Something is
>>> leaking current. Another project to do!
>>> Alex Thomson
>>> *From:*Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net
>>> *Sent:*Friday, December 25, 2020 3:18 PM
>>> *To:*New England Triumphs; TR3 Triumphs
>>> *Subject:*[TR] Battery charging
>>> Hey all ~ Merry Christmas ...!
>>> I have one float charger that serves both my TR3 that has an Optima
>>> red top battery and my TR6 that has a Sears Die Hard. Seems like
>>> even though each battery is only 2 -3 years old, the Die Hard seems
>>> to need more frequent â??topping upâ?? than the Optima.... Interesting....
>>> Dave
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<p>Prior comment...mentioned the Optima battery... Odesseys are my
pref. AGMs are the only way to go when not used
regularly/seasonally.<br>
Yes, they are more expensive. I've had one running for over 11
years now. THAT particular battery has also seen at least three
totla discharges to where the starter wouldn't even click, and it
still holds a charge to this day.<br>
</p>
<p>Lead acid (wet plate) batteries have a self discharge rate NOT
designed for non-repetitive regular use. AGMs are closer to
'storage' batteries with a much higher current destiny and MUCH
lower self discharge rate.<br>
anyway.... to the point..... if you fully charge an AGM battery,
and disconnect it from the car electronics. You should be able to
go a year or two without starting or charging and the car will
start without issue.<br>
BTDT for years now. One of my cars hadn't been started (let alone
uncovered) for nearly 3 years. The Odessey battery (a 925 size)
was still sitting at 12.4V and the car started without issue.</p>
<p>Ditto on the float charger comments. BUT.... They CAN be left on
but NOT when you have the rest of the car still connected. The
Juniors are trash. They see that 'trickle load' of the car, as a
need to charge the battery.<br>
Get a full tender or better yet a newer style digitally controlled
tender. <br>
</p>
<p>jfft</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>ptegler<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/25/2020 7:11 PM, Jim Henningsen
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:EF759856-CE4A-405B-A491-7144D244CA47@gmail.com">
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<div dir="ltr">I have had same issues with battery tender jr.
 They cook batteries if left on too long. Youâ??d think a company
would figure this stuff out.</div>
<div dir="ltr">Jim Henningsen</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
<blockquote type="cite">On Dec 25, 2020, at 7:00 PM, Rye
Livingston <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:ryel@mac.com";><ryel@mac.com></a> wrote:<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
charset=UTF-8">
For what itâ??s worth, here is an opinion from to experts I was
surprised to hear. Â One is a Porsche mechanic whoâ??s been in
the business for 30+ years. Â The Interstate battery had died
and even pumped out some white power at the end, out a
breather tube from the battery. Â I cleaned it all up well,
worried about battery acid in the front truck. Â I went to the
shop, heâ??s an Interstate distributor as well, and bought a new
battery and told him what happened, and that Iâ??d had the
battery connected to a Battery Tender Jr. Â He told me that
even that brand, which is good, is really not good to leave on
all the time, and it will cook the battery. Â He recommends
putting it on for a week or two, then disconnecting for a week
or two, and repeat. Â Well thatâ??s a pain.
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Then in my Airstream trailer which has two 12
volt deep cycle batteries, Iâ??ve read that the power
converter that comes with the trailer also isnâ??t designed to
leave plugged in all the time and it will cook the
batteries, which did happen. Â I tried using a Battery Tender
Jr on that but it couldnâ??t deal with 2 batteries. Â I was
then told about an upgrade for the Airsteam power converter
on Amazon, about $200 or so, which I installed and it does
manage the float and it can be left plugged in for months
and months no problem.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">So be careful with Battery Tenders. Â I have two
Battery Tender Jrs and four Die Hard battery tenders for
multiple cars, Kubota tractor and a boat. Â Just be careful
how long you leave them plugged in and check the water level
if itâ??s not a gel battery. Â I have an Optima in my Triumph
and Kubota.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Good luck,</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Rye<br class="">
<div><br class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class="">
<div class="">On Dec 25, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Alex &
Janet Thomson <<a
href="mailto:aljlthomson@charter.net"; class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">aljlthomson@charter.net</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman",
serif;" class=""><span style="font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"
class="">Are the batteries still connected to
their cars? Maybe there is a slight draw on the
TR6. Our TR6 took the whole summer off because
it needs a new wiring harness. There were some
wires that had let the smoke out! After I drove
it into winter storage, I disconnected the
ground cable and noticed that there was a tiny
spark! Something is leaking current. Another
project to do!<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman",
serif;" class=""><span style="font-family:
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class="">Alex Thomson<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="Apple-converted-space">Â </span>Triumphs
[<a
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class=""></o:p></div>
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</div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 00001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman",
serif;" class="">I have one float charger that
serves both my TR3 that has an Optima red top
battery and my TR6 that has a Sears Die Hard.
Seems like even though each battery is only 2 -3
years old, the Die Hard seems to need more
frequent â??topping upâ?? than the Optima....
Interesting....<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
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