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Re: Re-class a Miata for +15hp!!!!!!!! Give me a break.

To: "Moore, John" <jmoore@spyglass.com>, <autox@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: Re-class a Miata for +15hp!!!!!!!! Give me a break.
From: "Richard Williams" <richw1@mediaone.net>
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:52:29 -0400
Yes, that is probably most of the difference, ahh the beauty of a
mid-engined car. :)

Richard Williams
2000 Absolutely Red MR2 Spyder
2000 Carbon Blue Celica GT


----- Original Message -----
From: "Moore, John" <jmoore@spyglass.com>
To: <autox@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 11:58 AM
Subject: RE: Re-class a Miata for +15hp!!!!!!!! Give me a break.


> Could it be that the Toyota's lack of a driveshaft, being mid-engine
> and rear drive, causes significantly less drivetrain loss and explains
some
> of the difference?
>
> John Moore
> 1991 Nissan Sentra SE-R (STS)
> 1993 Toyota MR2 NA (CS)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Scot Zediker [SMTP:roadsterboy@earthlink.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 10:25 PM
> > To: Richard Williams; autox@autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: Re-class a Miata for +15hp!!!!!!!! Give me a break.
> >
> > Did you consider the possibility that Toyota might have sent SCC a
ringer
> > (although a few have said that Mazda uses small horses)?
> >
> > Scot
> > '91 CS Miata
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Richard Williams <richw1@mediaone.net>
> > To: <autox@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 5:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: Re-class a Miata for +15hp!!!!!!!! Give me a break.
> >
> >
> > > Well than you surely forgot that the 1999 Miata and the 2000 MR2
Spyder
> > were
> > > put on the dyno and the MR2 had a good bit more power.  Even though
the
> > two
> > > cars are advertised to have the same HP the MR2 Spyder dyno'ed at 13
hp
> > and
> > > 7 lb-ft of torque higher than the Miata.  The MR2 Spyder dyno'ed at
125
> > hp
> > > and 113 lb-ft of torque, the Miata came up with 112 hp and 106 lb-ft
of
> > > torque.  Even if you add an advertised 15 hp, which would equal
> > > approximately 12 hp to the rear wheels (adjusting for drivetrain
> > losses),
> > > you would just now equal the power of the MR2 Spyder.  The MR2 also
> > reached
> > > max torque 1100 rpm's earlier.  Also, do not forget the MR2 Spyder is
> > > approximately 104 lbs lighter than the Miata.  The MR2 Spyder came in
at
> > > 2,195 lbs and the Miata came in at 2,299 lbs.  I am not saying that
the
> > MR2
> > > Spyder will be an overdog but it will surely be a strong contender
with
> > the
> > > 2000 and 2001 Miata.  This is simply the facts, nothing more, nothing
> > less.
> > >
> > > I have said my piece and will now duck, as the Miata people will be
> > heaving
> > > objects in my direction.
> > >
> > > Richard Williams
> > > 2000 Absolutely Red MR2 Spyder
> > > 2000 Carbon Blue Celica GT
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Stephen Bernard" <solo-2@juno.com>
> > > To: <JoeT@ryersoncoil.com>
> > > Cc: <solo-2@juno.com>; <athomps9@visteon.com>; <autox@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 12:52 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Re-class a Miata for +15hp!!!!!!!! Give me a break.
> > >
> > >
> > > > > Are we forgetting that the new MR2 is in BS as of the latest Fast
> > > > > track update?  I think that will level the playing field in BS if
> > not
> > > > > upset it some.
> > > >
> > > > No I didn't forget about it but the new Miata will have more
> > > > HP (uncertain about torque) than even the new MR Spyder!
> > > > Older Miatas will have to watch out I guess. :)
> > > >
> > > > Steve Bernard
> > > > Red '99 Miata (B-Stock)
> > > > NER Region (Novice Class)
> > > > mailto:Solo-2@juno.com
> > >
> > >
> >


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