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Re: More DNWs

To: "Michael R. Clements" <mrclem@telocity.com>, jesvilla@gte.net,
Subject: Re: More DNWs
From: "Pat Kelly" <lollipop487@home.com>
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 14:57:25 -0800
Aaah, Michael, it is YOUR assignment. Now that you've accepted it, I'm sure
you can figure out a way. :) :) (please note the smiles!!)
--Pat K
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>From: "Michael R. Clements" <mrclem@telocity.com>
>To: "Pat Kelly" <lollipop487@home.com>, <jesvilla@gte.net>, "Cheryl Grantz"
<sgrantz@peoplepc.com>
>Cc: "ba autocross list" <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
>Subject: RE: More DNWs
>Date: Thu, Nov 1, 2001, 3:01 PM
>

>If somebody gets a DNW at an event, perhaps we could mark their name so
>if/when they show up at the next event, they have to work twice to avoid
>another DNW. I think this would be a firm way to get the point across
>without blacklisting, taking cards or other nastiness. Anybody who got a DNW
>by honest mistake should be happy to "make it up" with extra work at the
>next event, and it might increase the number of available workers.
>
>Like any idea, it will work only if it's easy to keep track of. I have no
>idea how easy or hard this would be to keep track of, just seemed like an
>easy and fair thing to do.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net
>[mailto:owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Pat Kelly
>Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 13:54
>To: jesvilla@gte.net; Cheryl Grantz
>Cc: ba autocross list
>Subject: Re: More DNWs
>
>
>    When this whole deal started, we simply gave no points or finishing
>position with a "DNW" by the name. For some it took a few of these before it
>sank in. I can thing of some very well known drivers where it took 5 DNWs!
>    Asking registraion to maintain a list to keep the bad apples out is not
>a good idea, as the folks who run change during run groups.
>    Lately we've not been showing times, too (which we used to do, just so's
>the offender would know where they could have finished had he/she worked.
>But we've drawn a harder line at present.
>    Usually the offenders get the picture pretty quickly and do one of two
>things: 1) don't return; or 2) return and work. Either is okay with me.
>    Another offense some do is to get their names checked off, and wander
>away. So you really have to be a cop to keep them going in the right
>direction. :)
>--Pat K
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>>From: Jesus Villarreal <jesvilla@gte.net>
>>To: Cheryl Grantz <sgrantz@peoplepc.com>
>>Cc: ba autocross list <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
>>Subject: Re: More DNWs
>>Date: Thu, Nov 1, 2001, 1:45 PM
>>
>
>>Cheryl Grantz wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> So every worker sheet was compared to the results to see if the lack of
>>> workers was due to some people not even signing up to work.
>>>
>>> Sherry
>>
>>People caught doing this should be penalized somehow. Maybe confiscating
>>their SCCA membership card at the next event they attend(we might not be
>>able to do that) or banning them for a year. I had a few doing this at
>>AAS events, it only took one warning of being banned for a year and they
>>didn't do it again. At least I haven't caught anyone doing it lately. If
>>they get mad and don't come back, so what, SCCA doesn't need bad apples.
>>Most good people will respond positively to a firm warning.
>>
>>Jesus

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