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Subject: [Fot] 89MM piston question
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 11:21:46 -0500
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P = T*R/5252
When people talk about a torquey engine, they usually mean it makes its 
power a low revs.

I once ran an engine on two different rolling road dynos (a Dynojet and 
a Mustang Dyno. The guys at the dyno shop said the second one would give 
less hp because they used a brake in their setup. I said, "you didn't 
calibrate for that"? They backpedaled and gave me a line of BS. Then the 
power and torque curves they produced did not agree with the equation. 
To get an explanation, I worked my way up the chain and eventually 
talked to the dyno companies head "technical" guy. He said he thought it 
must be the calibration! I said, "it is basic physics, like saying F = 
ma". Since then, I have never trusted dyno numbers. Good for comparative 
tuning runs only and of course, bench racing.
 ?- Larry

On 9/2/2018 10:46 PM, Bill via Fot wrote:
> It always puzzles me when people say that. Horsepower is torque times 
> RPM (and a conversion factor). Torque is horsepower/RPM. So how can 
> one count more than the other?
>
>> On Sep 2, 2018, at 4:13 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot <fot at autox.team.net 
>>
>> Its the torque that counts. ?So, I?suspect the motor enhancements 
>> took?the benefit of?the tractor stroke. ?If the motor is??able ?to 
>> produce??that power at 6k rpm with shift at 6500.
>> I shift at @?6200?-?my motor produces??max?power @5800 on the dyno. I 
>> use a kastner designed?cam for which??I have?the masters.
>>
>>
>>
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>> On?Sunday, September 2, 2018,?John Styduhar via 
>>
>>     What kind of modifications were done to the engine to extract
>>     over 200 HP from a tractor engine? Nitrous shot.
>>
>>
>>     On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 3:05 PM Thomas Boyd <tom at trenterprises.com
>>
>>         All of our FIA race cars are running legal 87mm engines.
>>         Just rolling roaded the latest SLR build at well north of 200bhp
>>
>>         Thomas Boyd
>>         Director
>>         TR Enterprises
>>         01623 793807 (ext 302) <tel:01623%20793807;302>
>>         www.trenterprises.com <http://www.trenterprises.com/>
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>>
>>         On 1 Sep 2018, at 17:02, John Styduhar via Fot
>>
>>             If you really had serious compliance with most group's
>>             rules, I would guess half the TR cars would not pass
>>             muster.? Let's have fun together.
>>
>>
>>             On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 9:40 AM Terry Stetler via Fot
>>
>>                 Indeed there are Glen.
>>
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>>                 
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>                 *From:* Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net
>>                 fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net
>>                 *Sent:* Saturday, September 1, 2018 7:34:26 AM
>>                 *Subject:* Re: [Fot] 89MM piston question
>>
>>                     everybody else seems to be using 89.
>>
>>                 HaHa not everybody, rules say 87mm, there are still a
>>                 few guys running them (and winning)...
>>                 Glen
>>
>>
>>
>>                 -----Original Message-----
>>                 From: Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net
>>                 To: van.mulders.marcel <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be
>>                 Sent: Fri, Aug 31, 2018 11:26 pm
>>                 Subject: Re: [Fot] 89MM piston question
>>
>>                 I've always used 87 MM due to the rules but everybody
>>                 else seems to be using 89. The procedures are the
>>                 same so It'll be the same. I blew a head gasket last
>>                 time out, compression into the cooling system and
>>                 blew off the bottom hose. I guess it wasn't tight
>>                 enough, and scuffed two pistons before?I?could shut
>>                 it down.
>>
>>                 Bob Kramer
>>
>>                 On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 12:43 PM,
>>                 <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be
>>
>>                     Bob,
>>                     It is definitely necessary to make that
>>                     modification to the liners. The relieve should
>>                     correspond to the shape of the combustion
>>                     chambers : about 4 mm wide on a 89mm engine.
>>                     Marcel
>>
>>                     
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>                     *Van: *"fot" <fot at autox.team.net
>>                     *Cc: *"fot" <fot at autox.team.net
>>                     *Verzonden: *Donderdag 30 augustus 2018 00:05:43
>>                     *Onderwerp: *[Fot] 89MM piston question
>>
>>                     Do the guys running the 89MM pistons and?liners
>>                     need to relieve the liners to clear the intake
>>                     valve, or does the extra MM make the difference?
>>
>>                     Bob Kramer
>>
>>                     On Tue,
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