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Subject: [Fot] 89MM piston question
From: Bill at ponostyle.com (Bill)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 21:00:54 -0700
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I do have an engine that produces 186HP per liter?the one in my 750 MV Agusta 
Senna. 140 horsepower at 12600 RPM. I promise you that every one of those 
ponies counts. 60 lb-ft of torque at 10500 RPM. Scares the crap out of me. I?d 
buy that a TR motor could produce 200+ HP if it revved to 10K. Failing that, 
not so much. Certainly not with a two valve, non-crossflow head with cross 
sections that looks like the casting was molded with plumbing parts.  200HP at 
6000 rpm is 175 ft-lbs of torque. I think the most recent engine build for 
Peyote by Tony Garmey at Horizon Racing was about 140 ft-lbs peak, and it?s 
89mm with all the goodies. 

> On Sep 2, 2018, at 8:46 PM, Bill <bill at ponostyle.com> wrote:
> 
> It always puzzles me when people say that. Horsepower is torque times RPM 
> (and a conversion factor). Torque is horsepower/RPM. So how can one count 
> more than the other? 
> 
>> 
>> Its the torque that counts.  So, I suspect the motor enhancements took the 
>> benefit of the tractor stroke.  If the motor is  able  to produce  that 
>> power at 6k rpm with shift at 6500.    
>> I shift at @ 6200 - my motor produces  max power @5800 on the dyno. I use a 
>> kastner designed cam for which  I have the masters. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
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>> 
>> What kind of modifications were done to the engine to extract over 200 HP 
>> from a tractor engine?  Nitrous shot.
>> 
>> 
>> All of our FIA race cars are running legal 87mm engines.
>> Just rolling roaded the latest SLR build at well north of 200bhp
>> 
>> Thomas Boyd
>> Director
>> TR Enterprises
>> 01623 793807 (ext 302) <tel:01623%20793807;302>
>> www.trenterprises.com <http://www.trenterprises.com/>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If you really had serious compliance with most group's rules, I would guess 
>> half the TR cars would not pass muster.  Let's have fun together.   
>> 
>> 
>> Indeed there are Glen.
>> 
>>  
>> 
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>>  
>> 
>> Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2018 7:34:26 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] 89MM piston question
>>  
>> everybody else seems to be using 89.
>> HaHa not everybody, rules say 87mm, there are still a few guys running them 
>> (and winning)...
>> Glen 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Sent: Fri, Aug 31, 2018 11:26 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] 89MM piston question
>> 
>> I've always used 87 MM due to the rules but everybody else seems to be using 
>> 89. The procedures are the same so It'll be the same. I blew a head gasket 
>> last time out, compression into the cooling system and blew off the bottom 
>> hose. I guess it wasn't tight enough, and scuffed two pistons before I could 
>> shut it down. 
>> 
>> Bob Kramer
>> 
>> Bob,
>> It is definitely necessary to make that modification to the liners. The 
>> relieve should correspond to the shape of the combustion chambers : about 4 
>> mm wide on a 89mm engine.
>> Marcel
>> 
>> Verzonden: Donderdag 30 augustus 2018 00:05:43
>> Onderwerp: [Fot] 89MM piston question
>> 
>> Do the guys running the 89MM pistons and liners need to relieve the liners 
>> to clear the intake valve, or does the extra MM make the difference?
>> 
>> Bob Kramer
>> 
>> On Tue, 
>> 
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