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Not really, you can have the radiator cap as a seal only and have the
cap on the overflow radiator as a pressure cap, or have the usual
radiator cap with pressure valve and return valve. But you have to make
sure the seal is airtight, so the caps with a SS or brass disc as seal
will have to be fitted with a thin but stiff rubber ring.
Kees Oudesluijs
Op 17-9-2018 om 18:18 schreef David Nock BCS:
> Only if you have the correct style radiator cap that is sealed on the top
> David Nock
> British Car Specialists
> 209-948-8767
> www.britishcarspecialists.com
> *Sent:* Monday, September 17, 2018 9:07 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Thermostats
>
> An overflow reservoir will see to that. After the engine has cooled
> down the expelled coolant will be sucked back into the rad.
>
> Kees Oudesluijs
>
> Op 17-9-2018 om 18:00 schreef David Nock BCS:
>> The main purpose of putting a higher pressure cap is to stop the
>> continues loss of coolant after shutting the engine down and the
>> engine temp going up over the 212 point. By putting a 10 or 13 max
>> pressure cap you have raised the boiling point 10 to 20 degrees thus
>> stopping the coolant loss.
>> It wont do anything for the overheating.
>> On your newer cars today they need a much higher pressure cap because
>> the run the engine temp much higher to reduce emissions. I have seen
>> some new Jaguars and Land Rovers that are running a 25 lb cap. As
>> well as cooling systems that you can not fill up correctly with out
>> using a vacuum type filler. Due to the fact that there will be air
>> pockets in the cooling system that you can not remove any other way.
>> David Nock
>> British Car Specialists
>> 209-948-8767
>> www.britishcarspecialists.com <http://www.britishcarspecialists.com>
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 17, 2018 7:53 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Thermostats
>>
>> 7 Psi should be more than enough on these old engines. Water pump
>> seal may fail (as mentioned), so may the hoses and the original style
>> radiator if you operate under a higher pressure. Modern cars can take
>> much higher pressures of 20Psi or more. If your cooling system is up
>> to scratch there should not be a problem. i.e. clean system, radiator
>> with enough capacity, thermostatically controlled electric fan to
>> keep things under control in dense traffic and hot weather. The
>> electric fan may not be original but when these cars were new traffic
>> conditions were not as demanding as in these days. It just keeps you
>> out of trouble at very little costs and a bit of ingenuity (breakers
>> yard).
>>
>> Kees Oudesluijs
>>
>> Op 17-9-2018 om 14:14 schreef Michael Salter:
>>> Also, with respect to cooling system pressure, the water pump seal
>>> in the 6 cylinder engines typically won't handle much over 10 p.s.i.. M
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* Healeys mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net on behalf of
>>> David Nock mailto:healeydoc@gmail.com
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, September 16, 2018 11:16:50 PM
>>> *To:* Linwood Rose
>>> *Cc:* Forum Healeys
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Thermostats
>>> If you are using the alloy radiator you have a short neck cap.
>>> Depending on the press?s app you are using you can not use a bellows
>>> type thermostat. Because the bellows will collapse if you use
>>> anything over 7 lbs. Then the thermostat will close and the engine
>>> will overheat.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 16, 2018, at 7:19 AM, Linwood Rose <linwoodrose@mac.com
>>>
>>>> I would like to go back to Steve Byers? comment. I am not so much
>>>> concerned about my car overheating. When the engine was rebuilt it
>>>> was thoroughly cleaned to get rid of all sludge. I run an aluminum
>>>> radiator, have built and installed air ducting for improved flow. I
>>>> do not have an electric fan.
>>>> My problem was that my engine ran cool and would take quite a while
>>>> to ?warm up.? I think I was using a 165 degree (or thereabouts)
>>>> non-sleeved thermostat. Robert Shaw as I recall. So I wanted to get
>>>> my engine up to 185-190 degrees sooner. I went with one of the same
>>>> AC sleeved thermostats 82 degrees centigrade from Kees that Steve
>>>> used. The engine seems to be much happier and gets to running temp
>>>> more quickly.
>>>> At least for my engine, a 160-165 degree thermostat keeps things
>>>> cool too long. In a perfect world I would prefer David Nock?s
>>>> bellows thermostat but with a 185-190 degree opening. Since that
>>>> doesn?t seem to be available I think I will stick with the AC unit
>>>> and keep my eye on the temp. Gauge.
>>>> I am no authority on this. I am simply passing along my experience.
>>>> Am I understanding all of this correctly?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Lin
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 15, 2018, at 9:30 PM, Rossm <rvmaylor@shaw.ca
>>>>
>>>>> To be fair Michael, it is hot maybe three days a year in Canada?:)
>>>>> . I left Calgary yesterday for the Rendezvous and it was snowing
>>>>> already. First time the hood contraption on the BN6 has been up
>>>>> since last September.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 15, 2018, at 10:50, Michael Salter
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well I have watched this discussion on sleeved thermostats for
>>>>>> the last week but now I just have to say. When the sleeved
>>>>>> thermostats went NLA, about 45 years ago, we resorted to
>>>>>> installing just plain old Stant 175 degree stats and guess what
>>>>>> ... not one complaint or comment on running hotter or overheating
>>>>>> and absolutely no sign of any symptoms of overheating on my own
>>>>>> BJ8 even in the hottest of ambient temperatures. It just didn't
>>>>>> happen!!! Just sayin'. M
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net
>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 15, 2018 10:35:32 AM
>>>>>> *To:* Forum Healeys
>>>>>> *Subject:* [Healeys] Thermostats
>>>>>> Three sleeved thermostats, one on the right 160 degrees, middle
>>>>>> no idea, left is a Smiths x85002s/86 (180F) and has failed open.
>>>>>>
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<p>Not really, you can have the radiator cap as a seal only and have
the cap on the overflow radiator as a pressure cap, or have the
usual radiator cap with pressure valve and return valve. But you
have to make sure the seal is airtight, so the caps with a SS or
brass disc as seal will have to be fitted with a thin but stiff
rubber ring.<br>
</p>
<p>Kees Oudesluijs</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 17-9-2018 om 18:18 schreef David
Nock BCS:<br>
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<div>Only if you have the correct style radiator cap that is
sealed on the top</div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century'; COLOR:
#000000">David Nock<br>
British Car Specialists<br>
209-948-8767<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="http://www.britishcarspecialists.com";>www.britishcarspecialists.com</a></div>
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<div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a
title="coudesluijs@chello.nl"
href="mailto:coudesluijs@chello.nl";
moz-do-not-send="true">Kees Oudesluijs</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 17, 2018 9:07 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="healeydoc@sbcglobal.net"
href="mailto:healeydoc@sbcglobal.net";
moz-do-not-send="true">David Nock BCS</a> ; <a
title="healeys@autox.team.net"
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
moz-do-not-send="true">healeys@autox.team.net</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Thermostats</div>
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<p>An overflow reservoir will see to that. After the engine
has cooled down the expelled coolant will be sucked back
into the rad.</p>
<p>Kees Oudesluijs<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 17-9-2018 om 18:00 schreef
David Nock BCS:<br>
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<div>The main purpose of putting a higher pressure cap
is to stop the continues loss of coolant after
shutting the engine down and the engine temp going
up over the 212 point. By putting a 10 or 13 max
pressure cap you have raised the boiling point 10 to
20 degrees thus stopping the coolant loss.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>It wont do anything for the overheating.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>On your newer cars today they need a much higher
pressure cap because the run the engine temp much
higher to reduce emissions. I have seen some new
Jaguars and Land Rovers that are running a 25 lb
cap. As well as cooling systems that you can not
fill up correctly with out using a vacuum type
filler. Due to the fact that there will be air
pockets in the cooling system that you can not
remove any other way.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century';
COLOR: #000000">David Nock<br>
British Car Specialists<br>
209-948-8767<br>
<a href="http://www.britishcarspecialists.com";
moz-do-not-send="true">www.britishcarspecialists.com</a></div>
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<div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a
title="coudesluijs@chello.nl"
href="mailto:coudesluijs@chello.nl";
moz-do-not-send="true">Kees Oudesluijs</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 17, 2018
7:53 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a
title="healeys@autox.team.net"
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
moz-do-not-send="true">healeys@autox.team.net</a>
</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Thermostats</div>
</div>
</div>
<div> </div>
</div>
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FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT:
normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY:
inline">
<p>7 Psi should be more than enough on these old
engines. Water pump seal may fail (as mentioned),
so may the hoses and the original style radiator
if you operate under a higher pressure. Modern
cars can take much higher pressures of 20Psi or
more. If your cooling system is up to scratch
there should not be a problem. i.e. clean system,
radiator with enough capacity, thermostatically
controlled electric fan to keep things under
control in dense traffic and hot weather. The
electric fan may not be original but when these
cars were new traffic conditions were not as
demanding as in these days. It just keeps you out
of trouble at very little costs and a bit of
ingenuity (breakers yard).<br>
</p>
<p>Kees Oudesluijs</p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 17-9-2018 om 14:14
schreef Michael Salter:<br>
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Also, with respect to cooling system pressure, the
water pump seal in the 6 cylinder engines
typically won't handle much over 10 p.s.i.. M
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Healeys <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>
on behalf of David Nock <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:healeydoc@gmail.com";
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:healeydoc@gmail.com</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 16, 2018
11:16:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Linwood Rose<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Forum Healeys<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Thermostats</font>
<div> </div>
</div>
<div>If you are using the alloy radiator you have
a short neck cap. Depending on the press?s app
you are using you can not use a bellows type
thermostat. Because the bellows will collapse if
you use anything over 7 lbs. Then the thermostat
will close and the engine will overheat. <br>
<br>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br>
On Sep 16, 2018, at 7:19 AM, Linwood Rose <<a
href="mailto:linwoodrose@mac.com";
moz-do-not-send="true">linwoodrose@mac.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>I would like to go back to Steve Byers?
comment. I am not so much concerned about my
car overheating. When the engine was rebuilt
it was thoroughly cleaned to get rid of all
sludge. I run an aluminum radiator, have
built and installed air ducting for improved
flow. I do not have an electric fan.
<div> </div>
<div>My problem was that my engine ran cool
and would take quite a while to ?warm up.?
I think I was using a 165 degree (or
thereabouts) non-sleeved thermostat.
Robert Shaw as I recall. So I wanted to
get my engine up to 185-190 degrees
sooner. I went with one of the same AC
sleeved thermostats 82 degrees centigrade
from Kees that Steve used. The engine
seems to be much happier and gets to
running temp more quickly.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>At least for my engine, a 160-165
degree thermostat keeps things cool too
long. In a perfect world I would prefer
David Nock?s bellows thermostat but with a
185-190 degree opening. Since that doesn?t
seem to be available I think I will stick
with the AC unit and keep my eye on the
temp. Gauge.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I am no authority on this. I am simply
passing along my experience. Am I
understanding all of this correctly? </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Lin<br>
<br>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">Sent from my
iPhone</div>
<div><br>
On Sep 15, 2018, at 9:30 PM, Rossm <<a
href="mailto:rvmaylor@shaw.ca";
moz-do-not-send="true">rvmaylor@shaw.ca</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
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<div>To be fair Michael, it is hot maybe
three days a year in Canada?:) . I
left Calgary yesterday for the
Rendezvous and it was snowing already.
First time the hood contraption on the
BN6 has been up since last September.
<br>
<br>
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my iPhone</div>
<div><br>
On Sep 15, 2018, at 10:50, Michael
Salter <<a
href="mailto:michael.salter@gmail.com";
moz-do-not-send="true">michael.salter@gmail.com</a>>
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<div>Well I have watched this
discussion on sleeved
thermostats for the last week
but now I just have to say. When
the sleeved thermostats went
NLA, about 45 years ago, we
resorted to installing just
plain old Stant 175 degree stats
and guess what ... not one
complaint or comment on running
hotter or overheating and
absolutely no sign of any
symptoms of overheating on my
own BJ8 even in the hottest of
ambient temperatures. It just
didn't happen!!! Just sayin'. M
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Healeys <<a
href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";
moz-do-not-send="true">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>>
on behalf of Rossm <<a
href="mailto:rvmaylor@shaw.ca";
moz-do-not-send="true">rvmaylor@shaw.ca</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday,
September 15, 2018 10:35:32
AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Forum Healeys<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Healeys]
Thermostats</font>
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<div class="PlainText">Three
sleeved thermostats, one on
the right 160 degrees,
middle no idea, left is a
Smiths x85002s/86 (180F) and
has failed open. <br>
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