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If you are using a recovery system it has to be filled to the top, =
Otherwise the system will not work correctly.
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From: David P=20
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 12:36 PM
To: healeys@autox.team.net=20
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Thermostats
..also, do not fill the radiator to full capacity. It must have room for =
some expansion or they will hydro lock to some degree. DaveP
On 9/17/2018 10:00 AM, David Nock BCS wrote:
The main purpose of putting a higher pressure cap is to stop the =
continues loss of coolant after shutting the engine down and the engine =
temp going up over the 212 point. By putting a 10 or 13 max pressure =
cap you have raised the boiling point 10 to 20 degrees thus stopping the =
coolant loss.
It wont do anything for the overheating.
On your newer cars today they need a much higher pressure cap because =
the run the engine temp much higher to reduce emissions. I have seen =
some new Jaguars and Land Rovers that are running a 25 lb cap. As well =
as cooling systems that you can not fill up correctly with out using a =
vacuum type filler. Due to the fact that there will be air pockets in =
the cooling system that you can not remove any other way.
David Nock
British Car Specialists
209-948-8767
www.britishcarspecialists.com
From: Kees Oudesluijs=20
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:53 AM
To: healeys@autox.team.net=20
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Thermostats
7 Psi should be more than enough on these old engines. Water pump seal =
may fail (as mentioned), so may the hoses and the original style =
radiator if you operate under a higher pressure. Modern cars can take =
much higher pressures of 20Psi or more. If your cooling system is up to =
scratch there should not be a problem. i.e. clean system, radiator with =
enough capacity, thermostatically controlled electric fan to keep things =
under control in dense traffic and hot weather. The electric fan may not =
be original but when these cars were new traffic conditions were not as =
demanding as in these days. It just keeps you out of trouble at very =
little costs and a bit of ingenuity (breakers yard).
Kees Oudesluijs
Op 17-9-2018 om 14:14 schreef Michael Salter:
Also, with respect to cooling system pressure, the water pump seal =
in the 6 cylinder engines typically won't handle much over 10 p.s.i.. M=20
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David Nock mailto:healeydoc@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 11:16:50 PM
To: Linwood Rose
Cc: Forum Healeys
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Thermostats=20
If you are using the alloy radiator you have a short neck cap. =
Depending on the press=92s app you are using you can not use a bellows =
type thermostat. Because the bellows will collapse if you use anything =
over 7 lbs. Then the thermostat will close and the engine will overheat. =
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 16, 2018, at 7:19 AM, Linwood Rose <linwoodrose@mac.com> =
wrote:
I would like to go back to Steve Byers=92 comment. I am not so =
much concerned about my car overheating. When the engine was rebuilt it =
was thoroughly cleaned to get rid of all sludge. I run an aluminum =
radiator, have built and installed air ducting for improved flow. I do =
not have an electric fan. =20
My problem was that my engine ran cool and would take quite a =
while to =93warm up.=94 I think I was using a 165 degree (or =
thereabouts) non-sleeved thermostat. Robert Shaw as I recall. So I =
wanted to get my engine up to 185-190 degrees sooner. I went with one of =
the same AC sleeved thermostats 82 degrees centigrade from Kees that =
Steve used. The engine seems to be much happier and gets to running temp =
more quickly.
At least for my engine, a 160-165 degree thermostat keeps things =
cool too long. In a perfect world I would prefer David Nock=92s bellows =
thermostat but with a 185-190 degree opening. Since that doesn=92t seem =
to be available I think I will stick with the AC unit and keep my eye on =
the temp. Gauge.
I am no authority on this. I am simply passing along my =
experience. Am I understanding all of this correctly?=20
Thanks,
Lin
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 15, 2018, at 9:30 PM, Rossm <rvmaylor@shaw.ca> wrote:
To be fair Michael, it is hot maybe three days a year in =
Canada?:) . I left Calgary yesterday for the Rendezvous and it was =
snowing already. First time the hood contraption on the BN6 has been up =
since last September. =20
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 15, 2018, at 10:50, Michael Salter =
<michael.salter@gmail.com> wrote:
Well I have watched this discussion on sleeved thermostats for =
the last week but now I just have to say. When the sleeved thermostats =
went NLA, about 45 years ago, we resorted to installing just plain old =
Stant 175 degree stats and guess what ... not one complaint or comment =
on running hotter or overheating and absolutely no sign of any symptoms =
of overheating on my own BJ8 even in the hottest of ambient =
temperatures. It just didn't happen!!! Just sayin'. M=20
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From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of =
Rossm <rvmaylor@shaw.ca>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 10:35:32 AM
To: Forum Healeys
Subject: [Healeys] Thermostats=20
Three sleeved thermostats, one on the right 160 degrees, =
middle no idea, left is a Smiths x85002s/86 (180F) and has failed open. =
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<DIV>If you are using a recovery system it has to be filled to the top,=20
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 17, 2018 12:36 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dhealeys@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
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<P>..also, do not fill the radiator to full capacity. It must have room =
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<DIV>The main purpose of putting a higher pressure cap is to stop the=20
continues loss of coolant after shutting the engine down and the =
engine temp=20
going up over the 212 point. By putting a 10 or 13 max pressure =
cap you=20
have raised the boiling point 10 to 20 degrees thus stopping the =
coolant=20
loss.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It wont do anything for the overheating.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>On your newer cars today they need a much higher pressure cap =
because the=20
run the engine temp much higher to reduce emissions. I have seen some =
new=20
Jaguars and Land Rovers that are running a 25 lb cap. As well as =
cooling=20
systems that you can not fill up correctly with out using a vacuum =
type=20
filler. Due to the fact that there will be air pockets in the cooling =
system=20
that you can not remove any other way.</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
title=3Dcoudesluijs@chello.nl=20
href=3D"mailto:coudesluijs@chello.nl"; moz-do-not-send=3D"true">Kees =
Oudesluijs</A>=20
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 17, 2018 7:53 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dhealeys@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"=20
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">healeys@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Healeys] Thermostats</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
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<P>7 Psi should be more than enough on these old engines. Water pump =
seal may=20
fail (as mentioned), so may the hoses and the original style radiator =
if you=20
operate under a higher pressure. Modern cars can take much higher =
pressures=20
of 20Psi or more. If your cooling system is up to scratch there =
should=20
not be a problem. i.e. clean system, radiator with enough capacity,=20
thermostatically controlled electric fan to keep things under control =
in dense=20
traffic and hot weather. The electric fan may not be original but when =
these=20
cars were new traffic conditions were not as demanding as in these =
days. It=20
just keeps you out of trouble at very little costs and a bit of =
ingenuity=20
(breakers yard).<BR></P>
<P>Kees Oudesluijs</P>
<P> </P>
<P> </P>
<DIV class=3Dmoz-cite-prefix>Op 17-9-2018 om 14:14 schreef Michael=20
Salter:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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prod.outlook.com=20
type=3D"cite">
<META content=3D"text/html; ">Also, with respect to cooling system =
pressure,=20
the water pump seal in the 6 cylinder engines typically won't handle =
much=20
over 10 p.s.i.. M=20
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face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif"><B>From:</B> Healeys <A=20
class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E =
href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"=20
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</A> =
on behalf=20
of David Nock <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E=20
href=3D"mailto:healeydoc@gmail.com"=20
=
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">mailto:healeydoc@gmail.com</A><BR><B>Sent:</B>=20
Sunday, September 16, 2018 11:16:50 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Linwood=20
Rose<BR><B>Cc:</B> Forum Healeys<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Healeys]=20
Thermostats</FONT>=20
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<DIV>If you are using the alloy radiator you have a short neck cap.=20
Depending on the press=92s app you are using you can not use a =
bellows type=20
thermostat. Because the bellows will collapse if you use anything =
over 7=20
lbs. Then the thermostat will close and the engine will overheat. =
<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3DAppleMailSignature>Sent from my iPhone</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Sep 16, 2018, at 7:19 AM, Linwood Rose <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:linwoodrose@mac.com"=20
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">linwoodrose@mac.com</A>> =
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<DIV>I would like to go back to Steve Byers=92 comment. I am not =
so much=20
concerned about my car overheating. When the engine was rebuilt it =
was=20
thoroughly cleaned to get rid of all sludge. I run an aluminum =
radiator,=20
have built and installed air ducting for improved flow. I do not =
have an=20
electric fan. =20
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>My problem was that my engine ran cool and would take quite a =
while=20
to =93warm up.=94 I think I was using a 165 degree (or =
thereabouts)=20
non-sleeved thermostat. Robert Shaw as I recall. So I wanted to =
get my=20
engine up to 185-190 degrees sooner. I went with one of the same =
AC=20
sleeved thermostats 82 degrees centigrade from Kees that Steve =
used. The=20
engine seems to be much happier and gets to running temp more=20
quickly.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>At least for my engine, a 160-165 degree thermostat keeps =
things cool=20
too long. In a perfect world I would prefer David Nock=92s bellows =
thermostat but with a 185-190 degree opening. Since that doesn=92t =
seem to=20
be available I think I will stick with the AC unit and keep my eye =
on the=20
temp. Gauge.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I am no authority on this. I am simply passing along my =
experience.=20
Am I understanding all of this correctly? </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV>Lin<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3DAppleMailSignature>Sent from my iPhone</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Sep 15, 2018, at 9:30 PM, Rossm <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:rvmaylor@shaw.ca"=20
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">rvmaylor@shaw.ca</A>> =
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<DIV>To be fair Michael, it is hot maybe three days a year in =
Canada?:)=20
. I left Calgary yesterday for the Rendezvous and it was =
snowing=20
already. First time the hood contraption on the BN6 has been up =
since=20
last September. <BR><BR>
<DIV id=3DAppleMailSignature>Sent from my iPhone</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Sep 15, 2018, at 10:50, Michael Salter <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:michael.salter@gmail.com"=20
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">michael.salter@gmail.com</A>>=20
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<DIV>Well I have watched this discussion on sleeved =
thermostats for=20
the last week but now I just have to say. When the sleeved =
thermostats=20
went NLA, about 45 years ago, we resorted to installing just =
plain old=20
Stant 175 degree stats and guess what ... not one complaint or =
comment=20
on running hotter or overheating and absolutely no sign of any =
symptoms of overheating on my own BJ8 even in the hottest of =
ambient=20
temperatures. It just didn't happen!!! Just sayin'. M=20
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moz-do-not-send=3D"true">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</A>> on=20
behalf of Rossm <<A href=3D"mailto:rvmaylor@shaw.ca"=20
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moz-do-not-send=3D"true">rvmaylor@shaw.ca</A>><BR><B>Sent:</B>=20
Saturday, September 15, 2018 10:35:32 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Forum=20
Healeys<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Healeys] Thermostats</FONT>=20
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<DIV class=3DPlainText>Three sleeved thermostats, one on the =
right 160=20
degrees, middle no idea, left is a Smiths x85002s/86 =
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