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..also, do not fill the radiator to full capacity. It must have room for
some expansion or they will hydro lock to some degree. DaveP
On 9/17/2018 10:00 AM, David Nock BCS wrote:
> The main purpose of putting a higher pressure cap is to stop the
> continues loss of coolant after shutting the engine down and the
> engine temp going up over the 212 point. By putting a 10 or 13 max
> pressure cap you have raised the boiling point 10 to 20 degrees thus
> stopping the coolant loss.
> It wont do anything for the overheating.
> On your newer cars today they need a much higher pressure cap because
> the run the engine temp much higher to reduce emissions. I have seen
> some new Jaguars and Land Rovers that are running a 25 lb cap. As well
> as cooling systems that you can not fill up correctly with out using a
> vacuum type filler. Due to the fact that there will be air pockets in
> the cooling system that you can not remove any other way.
> David Nock
> British Car Specialists
> 209-948-8767
> www.britishcarspecialists.com <http://www.britishcarspecialists.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 17, 2018 7:53 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Thermostats
>
> 7 Psi should be more than enough on these old engines. Water pump seal
> may fail (as mentioned), so may the hoses and the original style
> radiator if you operate under a higher pressure. Modern cars can take
> much higher pressures of 20Psi or more. If your cooling system is up
> to scratch there should not be a problem. i.e. clean system, radiator
> with enough capacity, thermostatically controlled electric fan to keep
> things under control in dense traffic and hot weather. The electric
> fan may not be original but when these cars were new traffic
> conditions were not as demanding as in these days. It just keeps you
> out of trouble at very little costs and a bit of ingenuity (breakers
> yard).
>
> Kees Oudesluijs
>
> Op 17-9-2018 om 14:14 schreef Michael Salter:
>> Also, with respect to cooling system pressure, the water pump seal in
>> the 6 cylinder engines typically won't handle much over 10 p.s.i.. M
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Healeys mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net on behalf of
>> David Nock mailto:healeydoc@gmail.com
>> *Sent:* Sunday, September 16, 2018 11:16:50 PM
>> *To:* Linwood Rose
>> *Cc:* Forum Healeys
>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Thermostats
>> If you are using the alloy radiator you have a short neck cap.
>> Depending on the press?s app you are using you can not use a bellows
>> type thermostat. Because the bellows will collapse if you use
>> anything over 7 lbs. Then the thermostat will close and the engine
>> will overheat.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 16, 2018, at 7:19 AM, Linwood Rose <linwoodrose@mac.com
>>
>>> I would like to go back to Steve Byers? comment. I am not so much
>>> concerned about my car overheating. When the engine was rebuilt it
>>> was thoroughly cleaned to get rid of all sludge. I run an aluminum
>>> radiator, have built and installed air ducting for improved flow. I
>>> do not have an electric fan.
>>> My problem was that my engine ran cool and would take quite a while
>>> to ?warm up.? I think I was using a 165 degree (or thereabouts)
>>> non-sleeved thermostat. Robert Shaw as I recall. So I wanted to get
>>> my engine up to 185-190 degrees sooner. I went with one of the same
>>> AC sleeved thermostats 82 degrees centigrade from Kees that Steve
>>> used. The engine seems to be much happier and gets to running temp
>>> more quickly.
>>> At least for my engine, a 160-165 degree thermostat keeps things
>>> cool too long. In a perfect world I would prefer David Nock?s
>>> bellows thermostat but with a 185-190 degree opening. Since that
>>> doesn?t seem to be available I think I will stick with the AC unit
>>> and keep my eye on the temp. Gauge.
>>> I am no authority on this. I am simply passing along my experience.
>>> Am I understanding all of this correctly?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Lin
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 15, 2018, at 9:30 PM, Rossm <rvmaylor@shaw.ca
>>>
>>>> To be fair Michael, it is hot maybe three days a year in Canada?:)
>>>> . I left Calgary yesterday for the Rendezvous and it was snowing
>>>> already. First time the hood contraption on the BN6 has been up
>>>> since last September.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 15, 2018, at 10:50, Michael Salter <michael.salter@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>> Well I have watched this discussion on sleeved thermostats for the
>>>>> last week but now I just have to say. When the sleeved thermostats
>>>>> went NLA, about 45 years ago, we resorted to installing just plain
>>>>> old Stant 175 degree stats and guess what ... not one complaint or
>>>>> comment on running hotter or overheating and absolutely no sign of
>>>>> any symptoms of overheating on my own BJ8 even in the hottest of
>>>>> ambient temperatures. It just didn't happen!!! Just sayin'. M
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net
>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 15, 2018 10:35:32 AM
>>>>> *To:* Forum Healeys
>>>>> *Subject:* [Healeys] Thermostats
>>>>> Three sleeved thermostats, one on the right 160 degrees, middle no
>>>>> idea, left is a Smiths x85002s/86 (180F) and has failed open.
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<p>..also, do not fill the radiator to full capacity. It must have
room for some expansion or they will hydro lock to some degree.
DaveP<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/17/2018 10:00 AM, David Nock BCS
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<div>The main purpose of putting a higher pressure cap is to
stop the continues loss of coolant after shutting the engine
down and the engine temp going up over the 212 point. By
putting a 10 or 13 max pressure cap you have raised the
boiling point 10 to 20 degrees thus stopping the coolant
loss.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>It wont do anything for the overheating.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>On your newer cars today they need a much higher pressure
cap because the run the engine temp much higher to reduce
emissions. I have seen some new Jaguars and Land Rovers that
are running a 25 lb cap. As well as cooling systems that you
can not fill up correctly with out using a vacuum type
filler. Due to the fact that there will be air pockets in
the cooling system that you can not remove any other way.</div>
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<div> </div>
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<div> </div>
<div> </div>
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#000000">David Nock<br>
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<p>7 Psi should be more than enough on these old engines.
Water pump seal may fail (as mentioned), so may the hoses
and the original style radiator if you operate under a
higher pressure. Modern cars can take much higher
pressures of 20Psi or more. If your cooling system is up
to scratch there should not be a problem. i.e. clean
system, radiator with enough capacity, thermostatically
controlled electric fan to keep things under control in
dense traffic and hot weather. The electric fan may not be
original but when these cars were new traffic conditions
were not as demanding as in these days. It just keeps you
out of trouble at very little costs and a bit of ingenuity
(breakers yard).<br>
</p>
<p>Kees Oudesluijs</p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 17-9-2018 om 14:14 schreef
Michael Salter:<br>
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Also, with respect to cooling system pressure, the water
pump seal in the 6 cylinder engines typically won't handle
much over 10 p.s.i.. M
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Healeys <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>
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moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:healeydoc@gmail.com</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 16, 2018 11:16:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Linwood Rose<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Forum Healeys<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Thermostats</font>
<div> </div>
</div>
<div>If you are using the alloy radiator you have a short
neck cap. Depending on the press?s app you are using you
can not use a bellows type thermostat. Because the
bellows will collapse if you use anything over 7 lbs.
Then the thermostat will close and the engine will
overheat. <br>
<br>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br>
On Sep 16, 2018, at 7:19 AM, Linwood Rose <<a
href="mailto:linwoodrose@mac.com";
moz-do-not-send="true">linwoodrose@mac.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>I would like to go back to Steve Byers? comment.
I am not so much concerned about my car overheating.
When the engine was rebuilt it was thoroughly
cleaned to get rid of all sludge. I run an aluminum
radiator, have built and installed air ducting for
improved flow. I do not have an electric fan.
<div> </div>
<div>My problem was that my engine ran cool and
would take quite a while to ?warm up.? I think I
was using a 165 degree (or thereabouts)
non-sleeved thermostat. Robert Shaw as I recall.
So I wanted to get my engine up to 185-190 degrees
sooner. I went with one of the same AC sleeved
thermostats 82 degrees centigrade from Kees that
Steve used. The engine seems to be much happier
and gets to running temp more quickly.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>At least for my engine, a 160-165 degree
thermostat keeps things cool too long. In a
perfect world I would prefer David Nock?s bellows
thermostat but with a 185-190 degree opening.
Since that doesn?t seem to be available I think I
will stick with the AC unit and keep my eye on the
temp. Gauge.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I am no authority on this. I am simply passing
along my experience. Am I understanding all of
this correctly? </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Lin<br>
<br>
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On Sep 15, 2018, at 9:30 PM, Rossm <<a
href="mailto:rvmaylor@shaw.ca";
moz-do-not-send="true">rvmaylor@shaw.ca</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>To be fair Michael, it is hot maybe three
days a year in Canada?:) . I left Calgary
yesterday for the Rendezvous and it was
snowing already. First time the hood
contraption on the BN6 has been up since last
September. <br>
<br>
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iPhone</div>
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<div>Well I have watched this discussion
on sleeved thermostats for the last week
but now I just have to say. When the
sleeved thermostats went NLA, about 45
years ago, we resorted to installing
just plain old Stant 175 degree stats
and guess what ... not one complaint or
comment on running hotter or overheating
and absolutely no sign of any symptoms
of overheating on my own BJ8 even in the
hottest of ambient temperatures. It just
didn't happen!!! Just sayin'. M
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on behalf of Rossm <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true">rvmaylor@shaw.ca</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 15,
2018 10:35:32 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Forum Healeys<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Healeys]
Thermostats</font>
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thermostats, one on the right 160
degrees, middle no idea, left is a
Smiths x85002s/86 (180F) and has
failed open. <br>
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